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Kristiaan C




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PostPosted: Sun 22 Jan, 2017 10:11 pm    Post subject: Probably a late 17 th century Flemish piqueneer helmet         Reply with quote

Hello,
I am new here and restarted a militaria collection since 10 years.
I would have had a very nice collesction of late medieval helmets if I had kept them all, but that is live...
Anyway, I was very thrilled when this helmet appeared, and it was a must have to me.
So here are the pictures and hoping you could tell me if I am right, by saying it is probably a late 17 th century Flemish piqueneer helmet.



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David I Evans




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PostPosted: Mon 23 Jan, 2017 4:04 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Looks pretty good to me. The square rivet plates on the brim look look ok to me
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Kristiaan C




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PostPosted: Mon 23 Jan, 2017 4:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thank you for your reply.
And regarding it being Flemish, do you think I am right.

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David I Evans




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PostPosted: Tue 24 Jan, 2017 4:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'd say Dutch to be honest. let me have a google
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Kristiaan C




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PostPosted: Sun 05 Feb, 2017 2:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Any other opinions, please?
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Kristiaan C




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PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 11:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

No one? Worried
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David I Evans




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PostPosted: Thu 16 Feb, 2017 2:37 am    Post subject: Replies         Reply with quote

May I suggest this group on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Dutchrevolt/?fref=ts ?


They increasingly know their stuff and research very well .

I'd also say that this looks very much like an example in the Dutch army museum Catalogue reference 056251 dated 1630-1650.

and this

https://collections.royalarmouries.org/object/rac-object-31667.html
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David I Evans




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PostPosted: Thu 16 Feb, 2017 3:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

From my Dutch friends. The style is known as Stormhoed

Another example is here

http://www.grijpmaantiek.nl/collectie/histori...stormhoed/
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Kristiaan C




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PostPosted: Thu 16 Feb, 2017 3:12 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hey David, thanks again.
This is a great help.
Cheers

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Kristiaan C




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PostPosted: Fri 17 Feb, 2017 1:58 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Due to your help I managed to find more info and didn't expect this; the helmet was originally found on a flea market near Paris, not by me sadly (!), but it came along with a breast plate.
From the beginning I didn't taught both belonged together until I found this, on;
http://www.vintageflyinghelmets.com/antiques-and-historical-items
I'll add the pic's later on, I am on a new laptop and having a hard time to adapt to the new systems.

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Mark Moore




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PostPosted: Fri 17 Feb, 2017 3:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wow....Is it the angle of the photo, or do those tassets connected to that breastplate look really massive? They look huge!...McM
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Kristiaan C




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PostPosted: Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello,
they are big, but not disproportionate to me.

Anyway here is the brest plate that came along with the helmet.
Check out the small V shapped inlet in the middle, at the lower edge.
That construction looks very similar to the plate showed in the pic's above....what do you think?



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Kristiaan C




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PostPosted: Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry, just noticed there was only a link, so here is the picture from that link.


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PostPosted: Sun 19 Feb, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Could be from the same area and era. The breastplate in the first photos is heavily riveted. I'm wondering if some of them are more decorative than functional. Seems like an awful lot. WTF?! The breastplate in the above photo looks almost identical to the one I own. Mine is purely for costume-wear though. Happy Judging from the large, round dent in the upper chest...looks like it might have taken a musket ball. Big Grin .....McM
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Kristiaan C




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PostPosted: Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It did indeed take a musket ball, but for as far as I know this was done to test them.
Strange is that it sits on the opposite side it generally does....(left, and not right as you will see most)

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