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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar, 2007 8:53 pm    Post subject: In Search Of The Perfect Saber ...         Reply with quote

The great response to Tim Leeson and OlliN Custom Projects' " Swiss Saber " in
the Makers and Manufacturers forum inspired me to dig up some of the many saber
pics I'd encountered on my own lil quest for a certain type saber A Hussar Saber.
Specifically, a Polish Hussar Saber of the 16th-17th centuries. I should note these
pictures are most likely scans from a book, done by someone else and posted
online. I just happened to be lucky enough to find them. B-)

Hope you enjoy taking a look !






My personal favorite ...





Hey, how did THIS one get in here ??? B-)
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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb, 2010 8:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I was shown this sword by a fellow enthusiast of Polish War Sabers, and couldn't resist
not posting it here ... An eBay find, posted at just under $ 5,000.



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Oh Sinnerman, where you gonna run to ?
Sinnerman, where you gonna run to ?
Where you gonna run to ?
All along dem day ...
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Tim Lison




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PostPosted: Mon 01 Feb, 2010 10:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Great sabre! I must've missed the original post as I'm sure I would have commented. It's really cool to see these underrepresented weapons. Didn't you have a very nice repro made in this style? By OlliN if I remeber correctly. Were these photos your original inspiration?
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Gottfried P. Doerler




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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 1:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

fine looking weapons indeed.
as for "the best saber" i don`t know, but coldsteel claims the 1796 light cavalry for the best saber
http://www.coldsteel.com/1796cavalry.html
and just from design, this one has a close resemblance to the polish 16-17th century sabers.
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Petr Florianek
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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 1:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Scans are from Zablockis book Cieca prawdziva szabla
I like those with thumb rings
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Toke Krebs Niclasen




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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

http://www.vaabenhistoriskselskab.dk/arma-dan...?editid1=6

The Danish cavalry sabre of 1843 were supposed to be rather good and were copied/used for inspiration by other armies.
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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 6:17 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Petr Florianek wrote:
Scans are from Zablockis book Cieca prawdziva szabla
I like those with thumb rings


You are most correct, Petr. But I only WISH I could say they were scans from a book I
owned. I dug these, with others, up from searching online ...





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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 6:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Tim Lison wrote:
Great sabre! I must've missed the original post as I'm sure I would have
commented. It's really cool to see these underrepresented weapons. Didn't you have a very
nice repro made in this style? By OlliN if I remeber correctly. Were these photos your original
inspiration?


Apologies for mispelling your last name, Tim. And yes, the inspiration for my Ollin Hussar
lay in these photographs. Most notably this one :



With the risk of appearing repetitive, you can see the gents at Ollin came extremely close to
the above design ( I have to admit I requested certain tweeks in the reproduction ) :



The OllinSword Hussar Saber :

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Gottfried P. Doerler




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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 7:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

a fine weapon


i`ve just come about another piece of the same style:

http://www.robert-moc.sk/pages/gallery/sabla100.php
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Ken Speed





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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 7:47 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Not only am I impressed with weapons I am also very impressed with the quality of the draftsmanship and drawing, the drawings are very finely done. I can easily imagine reproductions of them framed and displayed as art. I am drawn to the saber of Steven Batori and find myself very curious about how it would handle, it looks like it would be excellent.

I must admit that my knowledge of Polish history is next to nonexistent and now I'll have to scuttle around and learn about Steven Batori. It is one of the burdens and one of the pleasures of myArmoury that it spurs me to learn so much about such varied things.
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Vaclav Homan




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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 8:26 am    Post subject: Arms         Reply with quote

There is web of my best sabres maker . Qulity, communication and prices very good.
http://lightswords.cz/pages/zbrane.php

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Vaclav Homan




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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 12:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

There is picture of my favorit sabre that I will buy this year. Picture from Zablocki are amazing.[/img]


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Lukasz Papaj




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PostPosted: Tue 02 Feb, 2010 11:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ken Speed wrote:
Not only am I impressed with weapons I am also very impressed with the quality of the draftsmanship and drawing

Wojciech Zabłocki was not only Olympic medallist in fencing but also successful architect, in a days before CAD Happy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojciech_Zab%C5%82ocki

He is involved in recreating the fencing art , and some think he succeeded in that with sabre (opinions vary). He tried longsword as well but ... his "discoveries" are "bit" disputed. ("Polskie sztuki walki. Miecz oburęczny i szabla husarska, Wojciech Zabłocki, 2001)
He was also involved in creating Polish Army pattern '76 Sabre (Wz 76)

"Cięcia prawdziwą szablą" = "Cuts [made] with real Sabre"
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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Wed 03 Feb, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Arms         Reply with quote

Vaclav Homan wrote:
There is web of my best sabres maker . Qulity, communication and prices very good.
http://lightswords.cz/pages/zbrane.php


I would buy a saber from that gentleman -- classic examples !!! Thanks for sharing, Vaclav.



This is another very interesting picture / drawing of a sword I ran into once before. I
found it again, and what's more I found what appears to be a picture of the actual
sword / scabbard in what I think is an Iranian museum ...



Wouldn't this be an incredible project for a craftperson interested in trying to replicate
even a modest version of the original ? For myself, I would forgo much of the decorative
engraving for the sake of cost, and perhaps concentrate on a general likeness tailored
with a few of my own details. I'd love to know the measurements, because it sure seems
that the sword is a brute ...
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Matthew G.M. Korenkiewicz




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PostPosted: Wed 03 Feb, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Ken Speed wrote:
Not only am I impressed with weapons I am also very impressed with the
quality of the draftsmanship and drawing, the drawings are very finely done. I can easily imagine
reproductions of them framed and displayed as art. I am drawn to the saber of Steven Batori and
find myself very curious about how it would handle, it looks like it would be excellent.

I must admit that my knowledge of Polish history is next to nonexistent and now I'll have to scuttle
around and learn about Steven Batori. It is one of the burdens and one of the pleasures of
myArmoury that it spurs me to learn so much about such varied things.


I agree with you about the drawings, Ken. And can only imagine what the actual sabers
looked like, as well as how many other drawings there might be that I haven't found yet;
or maybe found and forgot to save. I DO believe the measurements, if they can be read,
can be converted and give us an idea of the size and length of some of these swords.

I'm no expert in Polish History either, but I'm quietly fascinated by the variety and shapes
of the saber blades in what appears to be the 15th - 16h centuries. In my own mind, I liken
their nature somewhat to that of the Japanese katana -- I know I know, a stretch; but this is
how I think. I mean, you have this relatively generic term " saber " and pretty unusual shapes
and forms; with and without yelmen, with and without a variety of fullers, simple cross-hilts,
more elegan thumb-ringed hilts, etc etc ...

And in case some here missed my other project, The Black Saber by Paolo Abrera ...

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