Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > The Atrim 1506 and Liechtenauer. Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  
Author Message
George Hill




Location: Atlanta Ga
Joined: 16 May 2005

Posts: 614

PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct, 2007 9:18 am    Post subject: The Atrim 1506 and Liechtenauer.         Reply with quote

http://angustrimdirect.com/models/swede/swede.htm

I'm considering this sword. I got to handle one, and it's wonderful.

But I'm also a liechtenauer student, and I'm 5'8".

Is a 48 inch sword too long for winding by a 5'8" swordsman? (Not that I actually expect to ever wind with a sharp, but there's a principle here.)

I know we didn't get any sword-to-man ratios from Liechtenauer, but I'd like the opinions of his modern students.

Also, what were the "average" blade lengths used back in the heyday of the Liechtenauer system?

To abandon your shield is the basest of crimes. - --Tacitus on Germania


Last edited by George Hill on Wed 10 Oct, 2007 2:32 pm; edited 1 time in total
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
Chad Arnow
myArmoury Team


myArmoury Team

Location: Cincinnati, OH
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Likes: 21 pages
Reading list: 231 books

Spotlight topics: 15
Posts: 9,180

PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct, 2007 9:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have moved this topic to the Historic Arms Talk forum.

Please note the description for this forum:

"Discussions of reproduction and authentic historical arms and armour from various cultures and time periods"

Thank you.

Happy

ChadA

http://chadarnow.com/
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Michael Edelson




Location: New York
Joined: 14 Sep 2005

Spotlight topics: 2
Posts: 1,032

PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi George,

You should be fine with that lade length. I'm only an inch taller than you and I use a variety of swords from 35" to 38" (blade length). As that sword is 36", it should work well for you.

New York Historical Fencing Association
www.newyorklongsword.com

Byakkokan Dojo
http://newyorkbattodo.com/
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Bill Grandy
myArmoury Team


myArmoury Team

Location: Alexandria, VA USA
Joined: 25 Aug 2003
Reading list: 43 books

Spotlight topics: 2
Posts: 4,153

PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi George,
What Michael said. You should be fine.

Here's the thing: The only measurements Liechtenauer ever gave are that the sword needs to be large enough to be used in two hands, but light enough that it could be used in one hand. And why was he so vague? Most likely because after that, it doesn't matter.

You're asking about winding. Winding can be done with all three wounders: The strike, the thrust, or the slice. Because of this, the length of the sword doesn't matter so much. You do what the distance dictates. If you're further away, you thrust, if you're a little closer, you strike, etc. It isn't until you start getting into extreme lengths that you should worry about the size of the sword.

Virginia Academy of Fencing Historical Swordsmanship
--German Longsword & Italian Rapier in the DC Area--


"A despondent heart will always be defeated regardless of skill."
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Glen A Cleeton




Location: Nipmuc USA
Joined: 21 Aug 2003

Posts: 1,882

PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct, 2007 11:56 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Which wounder winds worst?

I have to ask.

GC
View user's profile Send private message
George Hill




Location: Atlanta Ga
Joined: 16 May 2005

Posts: 614

PostPosted: Wed 10 Oct, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks all. I also note the A&A Fechterspiel is of compartive size.
http://www.arms-n-armor.com/train204.html

My worries are laid at ease. If that sale mentioned in the other thread comes up, I shall order the sword. Or even if it doesn't....

To abandon your shield is the basest of crimes. - --Tacitus on Germania
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger
Angus Trim




Location: Seattle area
Joined: 26 Aug 2003

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 870

PostPosted: Thu 11 Oct, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

George Hill wrote:
Thanks all. I also note the A&A Fechterspiel is of compartive size.
http://www.arms-n-armor.com/train204.html

My worries are laid at ease. If that sale mentioned in the other thread comes up, I shall order the sword. Or even if it doesn't....


Hi George

I'm going to do it, but need the time to organize things before I post or ask questions on the manufacturer's forum......

swords are fun
View user's profile Send private message
Thomas Watt




Location: Metrowest Boston
Joined: 19 Sep 2006
Reading list: 7 books

Posts: 159

PostPosted: Thu 11 Oct, 2007 3:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Angus Trim wrote:
I'm going to do it, but need the time to organize things before I post or ask questions on the manufacturer's forum......

Excellent. I've been following this and wondering how I could go about placing an order.
Be looking forward to seeing the info posted up...
I detect a new sword in my immediate future, and this one looks very nice!

Have 11 swords, 2 dirks, half a dozen tomahawks and 2 Jeeps - seem to be a magnet for more of all.
View user's profile Send private message
George Hill




Location: Atlanta Ga
Joined: 16 May 2005

Posts: 614

PostPosted: Thu 11 Oct, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Angus Trim wrote:


Hi George

I'm going to do it, but need the time to organize things before I post or ask questions on the manufacturer's forum......


Hello Angus.

The longer it takes, the more money I'll have saved. What is your generalized guess on timeframe?

To abandon your shield is the basest of crimes. - --Tacitus on Germania
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > The Atrim 1506 and Liechtenauer.
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2019 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum