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Jon Cooper




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PostPosted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 5:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just received an Email from the manufacturers saying they based the pavise design on illustrations in a book by Charles Kightly entitled 'Flodden. The Anglo-Scottish War of 1513. published by Almark Publishing Co. Ltd in 1975 - Now all I need to do is track down the books sources !! Anybody have a copy and can shed ligt on Mr Kightly's sources ??
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jon Cooper wrote:
Just received an Email from the manufacturers saying they based the pavise design on illustrations in a book by Charles Kightly entitled 'Flodden. The Anglo-Scottish War of 1513. published by Almark Publishing Co. Ltd in 1975 - Now all I need to do is track down the books sources !! Anybody have a copy and can shed ligt on Mr Kightly's sources ??


Yeah, its like an Osprey Book, nice pictures little substance. No footnotes, no bibliography. A single page list of sources.
The illustration by Robert Nicholls is on pg 23. Looks more like a Roman scutem than anything else.
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Bohemian Pavise, second half of the 15th century
(National Museum, Prague)



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Hussite pavise, first half of the 15th century
(Hussite Museum, Tabor)



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PostPosted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Bounamici pavise.         Reply with quote

Hi all.

Thought you might like to see a pic of my pavise, which is loosely based on an original pavise pictured. The original, as far as I have been able to ascertain bears the coat of arms of a famous medieval Florentine family - the Bounamici. The latin inscription bordering my pavise translates as "Praise this most holy abbot, venerate this most holy abbot", this is a hopefully suitable alternative inscription, as the border inscription on the original is very damaged. It hints at praising an important religious, medieval city benefactor, so looks right to me Happy



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Vaclav Hajek





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PostPosted: Tue 20 Feb, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here is another austrian pavise, similar to the one already listed:

http://www.peterfiner.com/Search/ItemDetails.asp?ItemID=14#
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Feb, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

By the way, does anyone have some other pictures of pavises? Wink
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Maciej Cierkosz




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- Pavisse From Poland, Breslau, beginning of XV Century. Used by city guards. With a characteristic "W" on the front

- Hussite Pavise from the first half of XV Century

4 polish Pavises are stored in Museum of Polish Army, in Warsaw, but I don`t have any photos of them...:/

Si sapis sis Apis
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I found this image over on the armour archive forums. Freydal (part of the files name) was Maximilian's book on tournaments if I'm not mistaken; which I'm guessing is where the image was taken from. The deep rounded gutters look very similar to one of the hand pavises in the woodcut from Maximilian's triumphal procession.

For a few months now I've been thinking about building one of these hand pavises with the deep, rounded gutter. Though everything I've read on here says that pavises are made with a wooden core, I'm wondering if that is really practical with this particular design - the part I see wood having a problem with is where the edges of the gutter fit to the edges of the flat sides. would the edges of the plank sides and the outer edge of the gutter just be mitered so the three parts (gutter, with a plank on each side) fit together? this seems like it would work, but that the joint would not be flexible enough to take much shock (and the freydal image shows them going at each other with hammers).

An old friend and longtime mentor on things such as this gave me the idea to use water hardened leather for the gutter. I've worked out a design on paper that has the gutter being made in two layers layers of soaked leather glued together and nailed over a wooden form to dry and harden. the design I've been thinking about should have a little more flex than solid wood. the sides would still be wood, and the outsides faced with linen (or maybe thin rawhide), gesso, paint, and maybe silver leaf/guilding...

What I'm wondering is if anyone else thinks a gutter of hardened leather may be a reasonable substituted for a solid wooden gutter on this particular design? I see more advantages for using leather in this case, and quite a few reasons to not use wood. Have many pavises actually been taken apart, or somehow been tested to determine the materials not visible on the surface?
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PostPosted: Wed 16 May, 2007 12:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

To resurrect this wonderful thread, I have collected some 15th century artwork from Central European territory (mostly Austria, Italy and South Germany). Images were collected from Austrian Imareal archive of medieval art.

I just hope this webservice for hosting files work, I've never used it before.

http://www.mytempdir.com/1329884

Paveze imareal.rar - it's a rar archive, which contains htm file (internet page) + associated directory with images. File length is 1.7 MB. To view the page with images, the file and associated directory must be in the same directory.

I'm planing to build a pavise, linden (lime) boards approx. 18 mm thick (slightly curved - I will achieve that by making it from 25 mm thick board), central board 25 mm thick, with beak on top, covered in linen canvas and gesso, then painted with oil colours. Size will be approx 125 cm x 60 cm. This is the general plan.



As you see, it will be quite a simple design - no chiselling of central gutter or any other advanced carpentry. I suppose not all pavises are made that simple, but several I have seen are just made of three planks.

Motive of the painting will be a bit different. I hope all will go according to plan, and I intend to post pictures of my progress. Any comment or recommendation?


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PostPosted: Thu 17 May, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Pavises from Central European art         Reply with quote

This is the artwork from the file posted above, in same small resolution. I have collected some 15th century artwork from Central European territory (mostly Austria, Italy and South Germany). Images were collected from Austrian Imareal archive of medieval art.

Not all the large shields listed are pavises, and some are small hand pavises. Some images are very interesting, lots of detail I have never seen before.




Hl. Martin;Hl. Gereon



Dieses Bild: 004162



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Meister von St. Sigmund ; Südtirol

Dokumentation: 1427 ; 1427 ; St. Sigmund ; Italien ; Südtirol ; Pfarrkirche St. Sigmund

Anmerkungen: 48x39 ; St. Sigmund ; Weingartner Josef, Joseph: Die Kunstdenkmäler Südtirols. Bd. 1, S. 398ff








Verrat des Judas



Dieses Bild: 005228



Kunstwerk: Buchmalerei ; Illustrationszyklus sakral ; Miniatur ; Mähren(?) ; Mt:26:047-056 , Mk:14:043-052 , Lk:22:047-053 , Jo:18:001-011

Dokumentation: 1425 ; 1435 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 485 ; fol. 57r







Bewachung des Grabes Christi



Dieses Bild: 005252



Kunstwerk: Buchmalerei ; Illustrationszyklus sakral ; Miniatur ; Mähren(?) ; Mt:27:062-066

Dokumentation: 1425 ; 1435 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 485 ; fol. 69r

Anmerkungen: Leben Jesu










Bekehrung des Hl. Paulus



Dieses Bild: 005261



Kunstwerk: Buchmalerei ; Illustrationszyklus sakral ; Miniatur ; Mähren(?) ; Apg:09:001-008

Dokumentation: 1425 ; 1435 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 485 ; fol. 79v

Anmerkungen: Leben Jesu






Kreuzigung Christi



Dieses Bild: 011832



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar Marienkrönungsaltar ; Slowakei ; Mt:27:033-036 , Mk:15:022-041 , Lk:23:033-049 , Jo:19:016-030

Dokumentation: 1499 ; 1499 ; Spisska Kapitula ; Slowakei ; Pfarrkirche

Anmerkungen: 1440x880 ; Spisska Kapitula ; Libuse Cidlinska, Goticke kridlove oltare na Slovensku, 1989, S. 79








Stammbaum der Babenberger



Friedrich II. der Streitbare



Dieses Bild: 000355



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Tafelbild ; Babenberger-Stammbaum ; Part Hans ; Niederösterreich

Dokumentation: 1489 ; 1492 ; Klosterneuburg ; Österreich ; Niederösterreich ; Stiftsgalerie

Anmerkungen: Klosterneuburg









Hl. Georg



Dieses Bild: 003009



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar-Predella ; Schnatterpeck-Umkreis ; Südtirol

Dokumentation: 1500 ; 1525 ; Kortsch ; Italien ; Südtirol ; Kuratiekirche

Anmerkungen: Kortsch








David flieht vor den Schergen Sauls



Dieses Bild: 006813A



Kunstwerk: Federzeichnung koloriert ; Illustrationszyklus Typologie ; Miniatur ; Südwestdeutschland

Dokumentation: 1475 ; 1475 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 3085 ; fol. 54v

Anmerkungen: Biblia Pauperum










Gideon und der Engel



Dieses Bild: 006845



Kunstwerk: Federzeichnung koloriert ; Illustrationszyklus Typologie ; Miniatur ; Südwestdeutschland ; Ri:06:011

Dokumentation: 1475 ; 1475 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 3085 ; fol. 116r

Anmerkungen: Biblia Pauperum









Auferstehung Christi



Dieses Bild: 008138



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Thomas von Klausenburg ; Siebenbürgen ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022

Dokumentation: 1427 ; 1427 ; Esztergom ; Ungarn ; Keresztény Múzeum ; IN 54. 6

Anmerkungen: 870x685 ; Garamszentbenedek ; M. Boskovits, Das christliche Museum von Esztergom, 1964, S. 102f


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Continued. Eek!



Auferstehung Christi



Dieses Bild: 000248



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Franken , Oberösterreich ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022

Dokumentation: 1465 ; 1475 ; Wartberg an der Krems ; Österreich ; Oberösterreich ; Pfarrkirche

Anmerkungen: Wartberg













Auferstehung Christi

Dieses Bild: 000059



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar-Mitteltafel ; Meister des Albrechtsaltars-Nachfolge ; Wien ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022

Dokumentation: 1456 ; 1456 ; Klosterneuburg ; Österreich ; Niederösterreich ; Stiftsgalerie

Anmerkungen: 132x83 ; Klosterneuburg Magdalenenkirche ; Magdalenenaltar ; Benesch 1937: S. 71ff










Kreuzigung Christi



Dieses Bild: 000438



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Oberösterreich ; Mt:27:033-036 , Mk:15:022-041 , Lk:23:033-049 , Jo:19:016-030

Dokumentation: 1484 ; 1484 ; St. Florian ; Österreich ; Oberösterreich ; Stiftssammlung

Anmerkungen:










Gebet Jesu am Ölberg



Dieses Bild: 000611



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Meister des Fridolfinger Altars ; Salzburg

Dokumentation: 1485 ; 1495 ; Fridolfing ; Deutschland ; Bayern ; römisch-Katholische Kirchenstiftung

Anmerkungen: 103,5x74 ; Fridolfing Johanneskirche ; Kat. Salzburg 1972: S. 158ff.











Enthauptung des Hl. Paulus



Dieses Bild: 001138



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Kärnten ; Paulus3:10:038-042 , Paulus3:11:001-003

Dokumentation: 1426 ; 1426 ; Klagenfurt ; Österreich ; Kärnten ; Diözesanmuseum ; IN 760

Anmerkungen: 49,6x104,2 ; Rangersdorf ; Katalog Kärntner Kunst des Mittelalters, 1970, S. 101









Hl. Mauritius



Dieses Bild: 001524



Kunstwerk: Glasmalerei ; Gebäudeteil ; Glasfenster ; Niederösterreich

Dokumentation: 1400 ; 1500 ; Wiener Neustadt ; Österreich ; Niederösterreich ; Neukloster

Anmerkungen: 66x46











Hl. Mauritius



Dieses Bild: 002108



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Pacher-Umkreis ; Tirol

Dokumentation: 1485 ; 1495 ; Innsbruck ; Österreich ; Tirol ; Landesmuseum Ferdinandeum ; IN 1944

Anmerkungen: 182,7x60,5










Kreuzigung Christi;Hl. Vigilius;Stifterin



Dieses Bild: 002117



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Leinwand ; Altarbild ; Meister mit dem Skorpion-Umkreis ; Brixen

Dokumentation: 1430 ; 1450 ; Innsbruck ; Österreich ; Tirol ; Landesmuseum Ferdinandeum ; IN 844

Anmerkungen: 102,5x187 ; Sonnenburg Kloster. Refektorium










Verleugnung des Hl. Petrus



Dieses Bild: 002225A



Kunstwerk: Freskomalerei ; Wandmalerei sakral ; Zyklus ; Thomas von Villach (um 1435-um 1529) ; Kärnten ; Mt:26:069-075 , Lk:22:054-062 , Mk:14:066-072

Dokumentation: 1470 ; 1480 ; Thörl ; Österreich ; Kärnten ; Pfarrkirche

Anmerkungen: Thörl ; Chor









Kreuzigung Christi



Dieses Bild: 002344



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Frueauf Rueland der Ältere (1440/45-1507) ; Salzburg , Passau ; Mt:27:033-036 , Mk:15:022-041 , Lk:23:033-049 , Jo:19:016-030

Dokumentation: 1490 ; 1491 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Galerie ; IN 4843

Anmerkungen: 209x134 ; Salzburg ; Katalog Museum, 1971, S. 84


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PostPosted: Thu 17 May, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Pavises again!         Reply with quote

Continued, this is the last one! Sorry for the long post.




Belagerung von Köln durch die Hunnen



Dieses Bild: 002974



Kunstwerk: Freskomalerei ; Wandmalerei sakral ; Zyklus ; Lombardei ; Ursula:03:005

Dokumentation: 1400 ; 1410 ; Morter ; Italien ; Südtirol ; St. Stephan in Obermontani

Anmerkungen: Morter ; Mittelschiff










Jael tötet Sisara



Dieses Bild: 003476



Kunstwerk: Federzeichnung koloriert ; Illustrationszyklus Typologie ; Miniatur ; Wien ; Ri:04:021

Dokumentation: 1420 ; 1440 ; Madrid ; Spanien ; Biblioteca Nacionale ; Ms. B. 19 (Vit 25-7) ; fol. 30r

Anmerkungen: Speculum Humanae Salvationis










Hl. Georg



Dieses Bild: 004320



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar-Predella ; Schwaben

Dokumentation: 1491 ; 1491 ; Bozen ; Italien ; Südtirol ; Museo Civico

Anmerkungen: 77,5x36,5 ; Obermontani St. Stephan










Trojanischer Krieg



Helden der Troianer



Dieses Bild: 006412



Kunstwerk: Buchmalerei ; Illustrationszyklus Dichtung ; Miniatur ; Martinus Opifex ; Wien

Dokumentation: 1445 ; 1450 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 2773 ; fol. 75r

Anmerkungen: Wien ; Ägidius Colonna. Trojanischer Krieg









Herzog Gottfried von Brabant



Dieses Bild: 007399



Kunstwerk: Federzeichnung ; Illustrationszyklus profan ; Illustration ; Tirol

Dokumentation: 1475 ; 1500 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. s. n. 12820 ; fol. 54v

Anmerkungen: Wappenbuch










Hl. Georg;Hl. Alexander



Dieses Bild: 008165



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Meister der Apostelmartyrien-Umkreis ; Wiener Neustadt

Dokumentation: 1485 ; 1495 ; Esztergom ; Ungarn ; Keresztény Múzeum ; IN 55. 69

Anmerkungen: 750x420 ; Kaschau Kirche aus Umgebung ; M. Boskovits, Das christliche Museum von Esztergom, 1964, S. 130, 192










Auferstehung Christi



Dieses Bild: 010433A



Kunstwerk: Buchmalerei ; Illustrationszyklus Kantionale ; Meister Matthäus ; Kuttenberg ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022

Dokumentation: 1490 ; 1490 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek,Musiksammlung ; Mus. Hs. 15501 ; fol. 74v

Anmerkungen: Kuttenberg ; Kuttenberger Kantionale








Martyrium der Hl. Ursula und der elftausend Jungfrauen



Dieses Bild: 010654



Kunstwerk: Freskomalerei ; Wandmalerei sakral ; Zyklus ; Slowenien ; Ursula:03:005-009

Dokumentation: 1467 ; 1467 ; Mace ; Slowenien ; Filialkirche St. Nikolaus

Anmerkungen: Mace ; Triumphbogen ; W-Wand ; Stele CIII F.










Auferstehung Christi



Dieses Bild: 011119



Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Tafelbild ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022

Dokumentation: 1430 ; 1440 ; Stams ; Österreich ; Tirol ; Stiftssammlung

Anmerkungen: 1020x700










Auferstehung Christi



Dieses Bild: 015518



Kunstwerk: Relief-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Retabel ; Augsburg ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022

Dokumentation: 1440 ; 1460 ; Augsburg ; Deutschland ; Schwaben ; Maximiliansmuseum ; DM VI 6 Diözesanmuseum

Anmerkungen: 19x13


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PostPosted: Sun 20 May, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Interesting pavise, site has very large images of the back side!!!!!


AN EXTREMELY RARE AUSTRIAN PAVISE, KLAUSEN, circa 1480

Of rectangular shape with rounded corners and a medial gutter of angular section narrowing to a projecting ‘beak’ at the top; and formed of wood covered with gessoed canvas; the front painted with the Bindenschild or arms of Austria beneath an archducal crown, and elsewhere with delicate scrolls coloured grey on a red ground on its right side, and white and grey respectively on a half black and half white ground on its left side, all within a border of undulating yellow and green branches and leaves on a red ground outlined with a narrow white band; and the rear fitted with the remains of a carrying handle and straps.

Pavises of this type were carried by crossbowmen to provide them with temporary shelter while they spanned and loaded.
Item ref: 197
From £25,000 to £50,000 From £25,000 to £50,000


http://www.peterfiner.com/Search/ItemDetails.asp?ItemID=14#







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WOW! Blaz, those are great images! Thanks for posting them!

Cheers!

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Some pavises from Slovenia. I know it's not much, and the preservation of some of the frescoes is pretty bad, but hey, we're small country. There could be more, I don't have full catalogue of Slovenian frescoes and other medieval artwork (simply because there isn't one).




Auferstehung Christi, 1490 ; 1490 ; Gradisce pri Divaci ; Slowenien ; Filialkirche St. Helena

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Auferstehung Christi, 1440 ; 1440 ; Sredna vas Prisencu ; Slowenien ; Filialkirche St. Radegunde

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Crucifixion (krizanje), Slovenj Gradec, Spitalska cerkev, 1455


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Was there any difference between the pavise carried by the medieval gonner and the crossbowman? If so, what would the gonne pavise look like?
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Hungarian noblemen from the Jagello-age, first half of the 16. Century; with maces and pavises.

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Aug, 2007 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Bounamici pavise.         Reply with quote

Stuart Quayle wrote:
Hi all.

Thought you might like to see a pic of my pavise, which is loosely based on an original pavise pictured. The original, as far as I have been able to ascertain bears the coat of arms of a famous medieval Florentine family - the Bounamici. The latin inscription bordering my pavise translates as "Praise this most holy abbot, venerate this most holy abbot", this is a hopefully suitable alternative inscription, as the border inscription on the original is very damaged. It hints at praising an important religious, medieval city benefactor, so looks right to me Happy


Hi I am new to these forums. I belong to a 15th C living history group and am very interested in constructing my own pavise. I should be very grateful, therefore, for any advice or references on pavise construction - in particular the way the actual wood was fitted together.

many thanks

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AN EXTREMELY RARE BOHEMIAN PAVISE, RAVENSBURG, circa 1490.
Of rectangular shape with rounded corners and a deep medial gutter of rounded section formed of wood covered with gessoed canvas. The front decorated with the arms of the city of Ravensburg, in Würtemberg, a city gate with a portcullis, between two turrets crowned with battlements.
Ravensburg became a Free Town in 1267 and joined the Swabian League in 1331.

A similar example is in the Wallace Collection, London (No. 338) and another is in the Kretzschmar von Keinbusch Collection in Philadelphia (No. 284).
Item ref: 909
From £50,000 to £100,000

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