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Jon Cooper
Location: Lilnlithgow Joined: 01 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: |
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Just received an Email from the manufacturers saying they based the pavise design on illustrations in a book by Charles Kightly entitled 'Flodden. The Anglo-Scottish War of 1513. published by Almark Publishing Co. Ltd in 1975 - Now all I need to do is track down the books sources !! Anybody have a copy and can shed ligt on Mr Kightly's sources ??
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Kel Rekuta
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Posted: Sun 03 Dec, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Jon Cooper wrote: | Just received an Email from the manufacturers saying they based the pavise design on illustrations in a book by Charles Kightly entitled 'Flodden. The Anglo-Scottish War of 1513. published by Almark Publishing Co. Ltd in 1975 - Now all I need to do is track down the books sources !! Anybody have a copy and can shed ligt on Mr Kightly's sources ?? |
Yeah, its like an Osprey Book, nice pictures little substance. No footnotes, no bibliography. A single page list of sources.
The illustration by Robert Nicholls is on pg 23. Looks more like a Roman scutem than anything else.
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Vaclav Hajek
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Posted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Bohemian Pavise, second half of the 15th century
(National Museum, Prague)
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Vaclav Hajek
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Hussite pavise, first half of the 15th century
(Hussite Museum, Tabor)
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Stuart Quayle
Location: Isle of Man, Great Britain Joined: 13 May 2005
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Posted: Mon 19 Feb, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: Bounamici pavise. |
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Hi all.
Thought you might like to see a pic of my pavise, which is loosely based on an original pavise pictured. The original, as far as I have been able to ascertain bears the coat of arms of a famous medieval Florentine family - the Bounamici. The latin inscription bordering my pavise translates as "Praise this most holy abbot, venerate this most holy abbot", this is a hopefully suitable alternative inscription, as the border inscription on the original is very damaged. It hints at praising an important religious, medieval city benefactor, so looks right to me
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Vaclav Hajek
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Vaclav Hajek
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Posted: Tue 20 Feb, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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By the way, does anyone have some other pictures of pavises?
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Maciej Cierkosz
Location: Opole, Poland Joined: 04 Feb 2007
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- Pavisse From Poland, Breslau, beginning of XV Century. Used by city guards. With a characteristic "W" on the front
- Hussite Pavise from the first half of XV Century
4 polish Pavises are stored in Museum of Polish Army, in Warsaw, but I don`t have any photos of them...:/
Si sapis sis Apis
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M. Johnston
Location: Bangor, Maine Joined: 03 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed 28 Mar, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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I found this image over on the armour archive forums. Freydal (part of the files name) was Maximilian's book on tournaments if I'm not mistaken; which I'm guessing is where the image was taken from. The deep rounded gutters look very similar to one of the hand pavises in the woodcut from Maximilian's triumphal procession.
For a few months now I've been thinking about building one of these hand pavises with the deep, rounded gutter. Though everything I've read on here says that pavises are made with a wooden core, I'm wondering if that is really practical with this particular design - the part I see wood having a problem with is where the edges of the gutter fit to the edges of the flat sides. would the edges of the plank sides and the outer edge of the gutter just be mitered so the three parts (gutter, with a plank on each side) fit together? this seems like it would work, but that the joint would not be flexible enough to take much shock (and the freydal image shows them going at each other with hammers).
An old friend and longtime mentor on things such as this gave me the idea to use water hardened leather for the gutter. I've worked out a design on paper that has the gutter being made in two layers layers of soaked leather glued together and nailed over a wooden form to dry and harden. the design I've been thinking about should have a little more flex than solid wood. the sides would still be wood, and the outsides faced with linen (or maybe thin rawhide), gesso, paint, and maybe silver leaf/guilding...
What I'm wondering is if anyone else thinks a gutter of hardened leather may be a reasonable substituted for a solid wooden gutter on this particular design? I see more advantages for using leather in this case, and quite a few reasons to not use wood. Have many pavises actually been taken apart, or somehow been tested to determine the materials not visible on the surface?
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Blaz Berlec
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To resurrect this wonderful thread, I have collected some 15th century artwork from Central European territory (mostly Austria, Italy and South Germany). Images were collected from Austrian Imareal archive of medieval art.
I just hope this webservice for hosting files work, I've never used it before.
http://www.mytempdir.com/1329884
Paveze imareal.rar - it's a rar archive, which contains htm file (internet page) + associated directory with images. File length is 1.7 MB. To view the page with images, the file and associated directory must be in the same directory.
I'm planing to build a pavise, linden (lime) boards approx. 18 mm thick (slightly curved - I will achieve that by making it from 25 mm thick board), central board 25 mm thick, with beak on top, covered in linen canvas and gesso, then painted with oil colours. Size will be approx 125 cm x 60 cm. This is the general plan.
As you see, it will be quite a simple design - no chiselling of central gutter or any other advanced carpentry. I suppose not all pavises are made that simple, but several I have seen are just made of three planks.
Motive of the painting will be a bit different. I hope all will go according to plan, and I intend to post pictures of my progress. Any comment or recommendation?
Extant 15th Century German Gothic Armour
Extant 15th century Milanese armour
Arming doublet of the 15th century
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Blaz Berlec
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Posted: Thu 17 May, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: Pavises from Central European art |
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This is the artwork from the file posted above, in same small resolution. I have collected some 15th century artwork from Central European territory (mostly Austria, Italy and South Germany). Images were collected from Austrian Imareal archive of medieval art.
Not all the large shields listed are pavises, and some are small hand pavises. Some images are very interesting, lots of detail I have never seen before.
Hl. Martin;Hl. Gereon
Dieses Bild: 004162
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Meister von St. Sigmund ; Südtirol
Dokumentation: 1427 ; 1427 ; St. Sigmund ; Italien ; Südtirol ; Pfarrkirche St. Sigmund
Anmerkungen: 48x39 ; St. Sigmund ; Weingartner Josef, Joseph: Die Kunstdenkmäler Südtirols. Bd. 1, S. 398ff
Verrat des Judas
Dieses Bild: 005228
Kunstwerk: Buchmalerei ; Illustrationszyklus sakral ; Miniatur ; Mähren(?) ; Mt:26:047-056 , Mk:14:043-052 , Lk:22:047-053 , Jo:18:001-011
Dokumentation: 1425 ; 1435 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 485 ; fol. 57r
Bewachung des Grabes Christi
Dieses Bild: 005252
Kunstwerk: Buchmalerei ; Illustrationszyklus sakral ; Miniatur ; Mähren(?) ; Mt:27:062-066
Dokumentation: 1425 ; 1435 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 485 ; fol. 69r
Anmerkungen: Leben Jesu
Bekehrung des Hl. Paulus
Dieses Bild: 005261
Kunstwerk: Buchmalerei ; Illustrationszyklus sakral ; Miniatur ; Mähren(?) ; Apg:09:001-008
Dokumentation: 1425 ; 1435 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 485 ; fol. 79v
Anmerkungen: Leben Jesu
Kreuzigung Christi
Dieses Bild: 011832
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar Marienkrönungsaltar ; Slowakei ; Mt:27:033-036 , Mk:15:022-041 , Lk:23:033-049 , Jo:19:016-030
Dokumentation: 1499 ; 1499 ; Spisska Kapitula ; Slowakei ; Pfarrkirche
Anmerkungen: 1440x880 ; Spisska Kapitula ; Libuse Cidlinska, Goticke kridlove oltare na Slovensku, 1989, S. 79
Stammbaum der Babenberger
Friedrich II. der Streitbare
Dieses Bild: 000355
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Tafelbild ; Babenberger-Stammbaum ; Part Hans ; Niederösterreich
Dokumentation: 1489 ; 1492 ; Klosterneuburg ; Österreich ; Niederösterreich ; Stiftsgalerie
Anmerkungen: Klosterneuburg
Hl. Georg
Dieses Bild: 003009
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar-Predella ; Schnatterpeck-Umkreis ; Südtirol
Dokumentation: 1500 ; 1525 ; Kortsch ; Italien ; Südtirol ; Kuratiekirche
Anmerkungen: Kortsch
David flieht vor den Schergen Sauls
Dieses Bild: 006813A
Kunstwerk: Federzeichnung koloriert ; Illustrationszyklus Typologie ; Miniatur ; Südwestdeutschland
Dokumentation: 1475 ; 1475 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 3085 ; fol. 54v
Anmerkungen: Biblia Pauperum
Gideon und der Engel
Dieses Bild: 006845
Kunstwerk: Federzeichnung koloriert ; Illustrationszyklus Typologie ; Miniatur ; Südwestdeutschland ; Ri:06:011
Dokumentation: 1475 ; 1475 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 3085 ; fol. 116r
Anmerkungen: Biblia Pauperum
Auferstehung Christi
Dieses Bild: 008138
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Thomas von Klausenburg ; Siebenbürgen ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022
Dokumentation: 1427 ; 1427 ; Esztergom ; Ungarn ; Keresztény Múzeum ; IN 54. 6
Anmerkungen: 870x685 ; Garamszentbenedek ; M. Boskovits, Das christliche Museum von Esztergom, 1964, S. 102f
Extant 15th Century German Gothic Armour
Extant 15th century Milanese armour
Arming doublet of the 15th century
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Blaz Berlec
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Continued.
Auferstehung Christi
Dieses Bild: 000248
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Franken , Oberösterreich ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022
Dokumentation: 1465 ; 1475 ; Wartberg an der Krems ; Österreich ; Oberösterreich ; Pfarrkirche
Anmerkungen: Wartberg
Auferstehung Christi
Dieses Bild: 000059
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar-Mitteltafel ; Meister des Albrechtsaltars-Nachfolge ; Wien ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022
Dokumentation: 1456 ; 1456 ; Klosterneuburg ; Österreich ; Niederösterreich ; Stiftsgalerie
Anmerkungen: 132x83 ; Klosterneuburg Magdalenenkirche ; Magdalenenaltar ; Benesch 1937: S. 71ff
Kreuzigung Christi
Dieses Bild: 000438
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Oberösterreich ; Mt:27:033-036 , Mk:15:022-041 , Lk:23:033-049 , Jo:19:016-030
Dokumentation: 1484 ; 1484 ; St. Florian ; Österreich ; Oberösterreich ; Stiftssammlung
Anmerkungen:
Gebet Jesu am Ölberg
Dieses Bild: 000611
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Meister des Fridolfinger Altars ; Salzburg
Dokumentation: 1485 ; 1495 ; Fridolfing ; Deutschland ; Bayern ; römisch-Katholische Kirchenstiftung
Anmerkungen: 103,5x74 ; Fridolfing Johanneskirche ; Kat. Salzburg 1972: S. 158ff.
Enthauptung des Hl. Paulus
Dieses Bild: 001138
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Kärnten ; Paulus3:10:038-042 , Paulus3:11:001-003
Dokumentation: 1426 ; 1426 ; Klagenfurt ; Österreich ; Kärnten ; Diözesanmuseum ; IN 760
Anmerkungen: 49,6x104,2 ; Rangersdorf ; Katalog Kärntner Kunst des Mittelalters, 1970, S. 101
Hl. Mauritius
Dieses Bild: 001524
Kunstwerk: Glasmalerei ; Gebäudeteil ; Glasfenster ; Niederösterreich
Dokumentation: 1400 ; 1500 ; Wiener Neustadt ; Österreich ; Niederösterreich ; Neukloster
Anmerkungen: 66x46
Hl. Mauritius
Dieses Bild: 002108
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Pacher-Umkreis ; Tirol
Dokumentation: 1485 ; 1495 ; Innsbruck ; Österreich ; Tirol ; Landesmuseum Ferdinandeum ; IN 1944
Anmerkungen: 182,7x60,5
Kreuzigung Christi;Hl. Vigilius;Stifterin
Dieses Bild: 002117
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Leinwand ; Altarbild ; Meister mit dem Skorpion-Umkreis ; Brixen
Dokumentation: 1430 ; 1450 ; Innsbruck ; Österreich ; Tirol ; Landesmuseum Ferdinandeum ; IN 844
Anmerkungen: 102,5x187 ; Sonnenburg Kloster. Refektorium
Verleugnung des Hl. Petrus
Dieses Bild: 002225A
Kunstwerk: Freskomalerei ; Wandmalerei sakral ; Zyklus ; Thomas von Villach (um 1435-um 1529) ; Kärnten ; Mt:26:069-075 , Lk:22:054-062 , Mk:14:066-072
Dokumentation: 1470 ; 1480 ; Thörl ; Österreich ; Kärnten ; Pfarrkirche
Anmerkungen: Thörl ; Chor
Kreuzigung Christi
Dieses Bild: 002344
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Frueauf Rueland der Ältere (1440/45-1507) ; Salzburg , Passau ; Mt:27:033-036 , Mk:15:022-041 , Lk:23:033-049 , Jo:19:016-030
Dokumentation: 1490 ; 1491 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Galerie ; IN 4843
Anmerkungen: 209x134 ; Salzburg ; Katalog Museum, 1971, S. 84
Extant 15th Century German Gothic Armour
Extant 15th century Milanese armour
Arming doublet of the 15th century
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Blaz Berlec
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Posted: Thu 17 May, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject: Pavises again! |
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Continued, this is the last one! Sorry for the long post.
Belagerung von Köln durch die Hunnen
Dieses Bild: 002974
Kunstwerk: Freskomalerei ; Wandmalerei sakral ; Zyklus ; Lombardei ; Ursula:03:005
Dokumentation: 1400 ; 1410 ; Morter ; Italien ; Südtirol ; St. Stephan in Obermontani
Anmerkungen: Morter ; Mittelschiff
Jael tötet Sisara
Dieses Bild: 003476
Kunstwerk: Federzeichnung koloriert ; Illustrationszyklus Typologie ; Miniatur ; Wien ; Ri:04:021
Dokumentation: 1420 ; 1440 ; Madrid ; Spanien ; Biblioteca Nacionale ; Ms. B. 19 (Vit 25-7) ; fol. 30r
Anmerkungen: Speculum Humanae Salvationis
Hl. Georg
Dieses Bild: 004320
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar-Predella ; Schwaben
Dokumentation: 1491 ; 1491 ; Bozen ; Italien ; Südtirol ; Museo Civico
Anmerkungen: 77,5x36,5 ; Obermontani St. Stephan
Trojanischer Krieg
Helden der Troianer
Dieses Bild: 006412
Kunstwerk: Buchmalerei ; Illustrationszyklus Dichtung ; Miniatur ; Martinus Opifex ; Wien
Dokumentation: 1445 ; 1450 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. 2773 ; fol. 75r
Anmerkungen: Wien ; Ägidius Colonna. Trojanischer Krieg
Herzog Gottfried von Brabant
Dieses Bild: 007399
Kunstwerk: Federzeichnung ; Illustrationszyklus profan ; Illustration ; Tirol
Dokumentation: 1475 ; 1500 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek ; cod. s. n. 12820 ; fol. 54v
Anmerkungen: Wappenbuch
Hl. Georg;Hl. Alexander
Dieses Bild: 008165
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar ; Meister der Apostelmartyrien-Umkreis ; Wiener Neustadt
Dokumentation: 1485 ; 1495 ; Esztergom ; Ungarn ; Keresztény Múzeum ; IN 55. 69
Anmerkungen: 750x420 ; Kaschau Kirche aus Umgebung ; M. Boskovits, Das christliche Museum von Esztergom, 1964, S. 130, 192
Auferstehung Christi
Dieses Bild: 010433A
Kunstwerk: Buchmalerei ; Illustrationszyklus Kantionale ; Meister Matthäus ; Kuttenberg ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022
Dokumentation: 1490 ; 1490 ; Wien ; Österreich ; Wien ; Österreichische Nationalbibliothek,Musiksammlung ; Mus. Hs. 15501 ; fol. 74v
Anmerkungen: Kuttenberg ; Kuttenberger Kantionale
Martyrium der Hl. Ursula und der elftausend Jungfrauen
Dieses Bild: 010654
Kunstwerk: Freskomalerei ; Wandmalerei sakral ; Zyklus ; Slowenien ; Ursula:03:005-009
Dokumentation: 1467 ; 1467 ; Mace ; Slowenien ; Filialkirche St. Nikolaus
Anmerkungen: Mace ; Triumphbogen ; W-Wand ; Stele CIII F.
Auferstehung Christi
Dieses Bild: 011119
Kunstwerk: Temperamalerei-Holz ; Tafelbild ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022
Dokumentation: 1430 ; 1440 ; Stams ; Österreich ; Tirol ; Stiftssammlung
Anmerkungen: 1020x700
Auferstehung Christi
Dieses Bild: 015518
Kunstwerk: Relief-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Retabel ; Augsburg ; Mt:28:001-010 , Mk:16:001-008 , Lk:24:001-009 , Jo:20:001-018 , Apg:01:021-022
Dokumentation: 1440 ; 1460 ; Augsburg ; Deutschland ; Schwaben ; Maximiliansmuseum ; DM VI 6 Diözesanmuseum
Anmerkungen: 19x13
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Blaz Berlec
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Posted: Sun 20 May, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Interesting pavise, site has very large images of the back side!!!!!
AN EXTREMELY RARE AUSTRIAN PAVISE, KLAUSEN, circa 1480
Of rectangular shape with rounded corners and a medial gutter of angular section narrowing to a projecting ‘beak’ at the top; and formed of wood covered with gessoed canvas; the front painted with the Bindenschild or arms of Austria beneath an archducal crown, and elsewhere with delicate scrolls coloured grey on a red ground on its right side, and white and grey respectively on a half black and half white ground on its left side, all within a border of undulating yellow and green branches and leaves on a red ground outlined with a narrow white band; and the rear fitted with the remains of a carrying handle and straps.
Pavises of this type were carried by crossbowmen to provide them with temporary shelter while they spanned and loaded.
Item ref: 197
From £25,000 to £50,000 From £25,000 to £50,000
http://www.peterfiner.com/Search/ItemDetails.asp?ItemID=14#
Extant 15th Century German Gothic Armour
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Gordon Frye
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Posted: Wed 30 May, 2007 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Some pavises from Slovenia. I know it's not much, and the preservation of some of the frescoes is pretty bad, but hey, we're small country. There could be more, I don't have full catalogue of Slovenian frescoes and other medieval artwork (simply because there isn't one).
Auferstehung Christi, 1490 ; 1490 ; Gradisce pri Divaci ; Slowenien ; Filialkirche St. Helena
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Auferstehung Christi, 1440 ; 1440 ; Sredna vas Prisencu ; Slowenien ; Filialkirche St. Radegunde
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Crucifixion (krizanje), Slovenj Gradec, Spitalska cerkev, 1455
Extant 15th Century German Gothic Armour
Extant 15th century Milanese armour
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Posted: Thu 31 May, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Was there any difference between the pavise carried by the medieval gonner and the crossbowman? If so, what would the gonne pavise look like?
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Posted: Thu 19 Jul, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Hungarian noblemen from the Jagello-age, first half of the 16. Century; with maces and pavises.
Zoltán
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Grant Fettis
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Posted: Fri 17 Aug, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Bounamici pavise. |
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Stuart Quayle wrote: | Hi all.
Thought you might like to see a pic of my pavise, which is loosely based on an original pavise pictured. The original, as far as I have been able to ascertain bears the coat of arms of a famous medieval Florentine family - the Bounamici. The latin inscription bordering my pavise translates as "Praise this most holy abbot, venerate this most holy abbot", this is a hopefully suitable alternative inscription, as the border inscription on the original is very damaged. It hints at praising an important religious, medieval city benefactor, so looks right to me |
Hi I am new to these forums. I belong to a 15th C living history group and am very interested in constructing my own pavise. I should be very grateful, therefore, for any advice or references on pavise construction - in particular the way the actual wood was fitted together.
many thanks
Grant Fettis
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Vaclav Hajek
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AN EXTREMELY RARE BOHEMIAN PAVISE, RAVENSBURG, circa 1490.
Of rectangular shape with rounded corners and a deep medial gutter of rounded section formed of wood covered with gessoed canvas. The front decorated with the arms of the city of Ravensburg, in Würtemberg, a city gate with a portcullis, between two turrets crowned with battlements.
Ravensburg became a Free Town in 1267 and joined the Swabian League in 1331.
A similar example is in the Wallace Collection, London (No. 338) and another is in the Kretzschmar von Keinbusch Collection in Philadelphia (No. 284).
Item ref: 909
From £50,000 to £100,000
http://www.peterfiner.com/Search/ItemDetails.asp?ItemID=416
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