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Dan Peterson
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 Posted: Sun 22 Dec, 2019 5:59 pm Post subject: Need Help IDing Some Modern Reproduction Swords |
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I bought a collection of swords this weekend at a local Flea Market and there are a few I don't recognize. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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I thought this was one of the Windlass Battlecry series of blued swords, and the scabbard definitely looks like Windlass manufacture, but do not see it listed as one.
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This is similar to a Deepeeka sword by this name, but it looks like it is better finished and has different characteristics. There are no markings.
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Three swords have this same mark, but I do not recognize the manufacturer.
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This appears to be an earlier Albion trademark, but the sword or mark are not shown on their website and probably predates the current marking system, that other swords in the collection have.. Does anyone know the name/model and approximate date of manu
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Chad Arnow
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Ian Hutchison
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Antal László
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Nice finds! Well, the old albions are. I wish you could find stuff like that at a flea market in the UK. I assume you got these at a good price?
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Dan Peterson
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Many thanks for the great information, Chad. There were actually several more Albions in the group but only four had the older marks that are no longer shown on their website so had trouble identifying them. Yes, that first one is definitely the Orleans, as another member helpfully confirmed and the other three are shown below. I am assuming the older models usually increase in price, but it's really hard to find out the relative values of them compared to the newer models. KofA is useful to see current price trends of many swords, but don't show the prices of swords no longer in stock.
BTW, I see you are from Cincinnati and wonder if I could have spoken to you at the Cincinnati Comic Expo if you ever happened to visit it? I get a free trip, admission and hotel room there every year in return for setting up various displays over the past seven years or so, and there were a few knowledgeable people there that recognized the late 15th Century authentic reproduction German 'Gothic' equestrian armor that I had there on a "walking dragon and knight" prop in which the rider's real feet are on stilts inside the dragon's legs to make it walk.
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Former Director, 3d Armored Division Museum, U.S. Army, Frankfurt, Germany
Former Director, Don F. Pratt (101st Airborne Div.) Museum, U.S. Army, Fort Campbell, KY
Author, The Roman Legions Recreated in Colour Photographs
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Dan Peterson
Location: Fort Campbell, KY U.S.A. Joined: 05 Sep 2013
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Many thanks, Ian, it is definitely that sword! I tried to find their website, and it seems to have gone away. I might consider trading this one. Currently, I am more interested in Late Medieval/Renaissance/Age of Discovery related weapons and armor that I use in interpretive programs since coming back from many years living in Europe where I was more focused on Roman, Viking and Medieval periods. I do a couple of programs every year at Tennessee Parks and occasionally other sites about the Hernando de Soto expedition through what is now the Southeastern United States so focusing most of my efforts there.
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Former Curator, 3d Armored Cavalry Museum, U.S. Army, El Paso, TX
Former Director, 1st Armored Division Museum, U.S. Army, Baumholder, Germany
Former Director, 3d Armored Division Museum, U.S. Army, Frankfurt, Germany
Former Director, Don F. Pratt (101st Airborne Div.) Museum, U.S. Army, Fort Campbell, KY
Author, The Roman Legions Recreated in Colour Photographs
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Jeremy V. Krause
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Congratulations on the finds,
That Ollin is certainly a rare one.
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Dan Peterson
Location: Fort Campbell, KY U.S.A. Joined: 05 Sep 2013
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| Antal László wrote: | | Nice finds! Well, the old albions are. I wish you could find stuff like that at a flea market in the UK. I assume you got these at a good price? |
Thanks, Antal! There are a few more of the newer Albions too, a nice Arms and Armor, and a lot of Del Tins and some of the better Windlass pieces, and there some original edged weapons (nothing spectacular) , and more of the junkier Indian stuff too. Seventy swords in all that literally doubled my sword collection, though some I don't need and will try to trade or sell probably. They came from an estate sale along with big collections of knives and watches, which the flea market dealer was the most knowledgeable about. He didn't want to mess with the "heavy and sharp" swords so gave me a REALLY good deal to take them all! Here's an image of what I think are most of the best ones.
Despite this being my "best flea market day ever", I have actually done very good at European flea markets over the many years when I was stationed there with the U.S. forces. I didn't go to many in GB because of the distance, but tried to every time I was there to participate in reenactments and displays, or working on various "History Channel" type films with my armor and props from various time periods. I have found some really amazing pieces going back to the Roman period at flea markets all over Europe but especially at the flea markets in Germany where I lived for over 20 years.
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Former Director, 1st Armored Division Museum, U.S. Army, Baumholder, Germany
Former Director, 3d Armored Division Museum, U.S. Army, Frankfurt, Germany
Former Director, Don F. Pratt (101st Airborne Div.) Museum, U.S. Army, Fort Campbell, KY
Author, The Roman Legions Recreated in Colour Photographs
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Antal László
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WOW, seventy swords... That in itself is already a large collection. They also seem to be in good condition. I can't help but wonder if the previous owner was a member here. But that's off topic, sorry.
Congrats on a good deal!
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Dan Peterson
Location: Fort Campbell, KY U.S.A. Joined: 05 Sep 2013
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| Antal László wrote: | WOW, seventy swords... That in itself is already a large collection. They also seem to be in good condition. I can't help but wonder if the previous owner was a member here. But that's off topic, sorry.
Congrats on a good deal! |
There are probably only about forty that I would like to keep, and probably trade or sell the rest. There are Asian ones, original native ones, rough original, 19th century swords, etc. that i really don't collect, but had to buy to get the "package deal" as the seller didn't want to pack them up again! I am a bit intrigued about the original owner too, and would not be surprised if he was a member here. I am still in contact with the seller so will probably ask whose estate these came from. He told me at the flea market that he was offered another sword collection of around 40 pieces unrelated to this one so definitely planned to follow up on that as well!
Former Curator, 3d Armored Cavalry Museum, U.S. Army, El Paso, TX
Former Director, 1st Armored Division Museum, U.S. Army, Baumholder, Germany
Former Director, 3d Armored Division Museum, U.S. Army, Frankfurt, Germany
Former Director, Don F. Pratt (101st Airborne Div.) Museum, U.S. Army, Fort Campbell, KY
Author, The Roman Legions Recreated in Colour Photographs
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. The last looks like the pre-Next Gen Albion Mark, probably the Orleans. See here: 