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Jack Englund




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PostPosted: Sat 05 Oct, 2019 7:55 pm    Post subject: Claymor or scotish Basket Hilt         Reply with quote

Is a Scottish basket a Claymore ???
Some say yes & others say No !
What is the factual answer ???????



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R. Kolick





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PostPosted: Sat 05 Oct, 2019 8:41 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It is technically both the terminology isn't exact and that type of sword is a Scottish style baskethilt and called a claymore by the victorian's
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PostPosted: Sat 05 Oct, 2019 11:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Personally I consider both to be claymores, seeing as they're both called that by Victorian era scholars.
Claymore is a very Scottish name, and it wouldn't surprise me if that is what they called all their swords, both the longsword and the basket hilted broadsword.

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Steven Lussenburg





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PostPosted: Sun 06 Oct, 2019 3:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's the Anglicised version of the word that literally means "big sword". So it would apply to both the two handed sword (which was a big sword compared to a one handed sword) and to the basket hilted sword (which was a big sword compared to the small sword).

Important is to keep in mind that in the past people weren't that obsessed with categorising everything as we are today.
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Oct, 2019 4:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

AFAIK, in Scottish Gaelic claidheamh ṃr (adopted to English as "claymore") referred to both the basket-hilted broadsword and the two-handed sword but was more often used to mean the baskethilt, whereas claidheamh dà làimh (which could be anglicized as "claydalave", I think) referred to the two-handed sword exclusively.

Both are also rather more descriptions than codified terms of trade, meaning "big sword" and "two-hand sword", respectively, so it makes sense that their usage would overlap and that the latter would not be applied to one-handed swords.

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PostPosted: Sun 06 Oct, 2019 5:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Well AFAIK there is pretty much universal agreement that a Scottish baskethilt can be called a "claymore". Where opinions differ is to whether the Highland style two hander can be called a claymore or not.
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Spenser T.




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PostPosted: Today at 3:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'm far from fluent in Scottish Gaelic, but I did study it years ago and this question came up a lot. My teachers have pretty much unanimously said that the answer is both the two handed swords and the basket hilted swords were called claymore. Their reason for this was that relative to the Gaelic iron age swords, which were very short, both swords were thought of as large or great. Further, many blades from the two-handed version were cut down to become the basket hilted swords, and were more or less a continuation of the same sword from one perspective. I've heard a lot of people refer to the two-handed versions as "claidheamh da laimh" but IIRC the Gaelic speakers who I've heard talk about this said this was a clunky or incorrect sounding phrase. Again, I'm not a Gael, so I could be wrong about that.. but that is what I believe I remember the case being.
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