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Gary A. Chelette




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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jun, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean Thibodeau wrote:
Mathieu;

Thanks those how to picts are very useful and some more instructional articles like this would make interesting feature article
IMHO. Very Cool

I can never figure out knots by just looking at them in their finished state.

Very true, I've been looking at them for weeks.

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PostPosted: Thu 19 Jun, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Chad Sonderberg wrote:
No problem. I'm glad I could help. Big Grin

If you need anymore advice, feel free to ask. I figured out how to replicate this belt design last spring (before this thread was created) from three images I had found. It takes a little while to get the hang of it, but it wears very comfortably for long periods and is easily adjustable for different people.

By period design, the two straps running to back of the belt are attached to a hook like component which can be attached/unattached from the waist belt with ease. I created my 'hook' using a 1/2 inch brass strip (my fittings are brass) that I folded in half, trimmed down the sides of the 'hook' areas, and riveted into place. I can post a couple photos, a riveted and unriveted, if you want.


Please do, I'd like to see it.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Mar, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gary A. Chelette wrote:
Chad Sonderberg wrote:
No problem. I'm glad I could help. Big Grin

If you need anymore advice, feel free to ask. I figured out how to replicate this belt design last spring (before this thread was created) from three images I had found. It takes a little while to get the hang of it, but it wears very comfortably for long periods and is easily adjustable for different people.

By period design, the two straps running to back of the belt are attached to a hook like component which can be attached/unattached from the waist belt with ease. I created my 'hook' using a 1/2 inch brass strip (my fittings are brass) that I folded in half, trimmed down the sides of the 'hook' areas, and riveted into place. I can post a couple photos, a riveted and unriveted, if you want.


Please do, I'd like to see it.


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Hey - we never did get those photos, did we? Wink

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PostPosted: Sat 15 Jan, 2011 11:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bumping an "oldie but goodie", hopefully no one minds. I just wanted to pass on my thanks to Mathieu for putting together that incredibly helpful picture-guide - I just used it to make a suspension for a new scabbard I got, and it works really well. Quick, easy, and it looks great!
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Anders Jansson




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PostPosted: Sat 15 Jan, 2011 11:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Interesting thread. I'm currently working on my late 14th longswordscabbard, and has somebody seen this design on some kind of illumination/altarpiece/document or something like that from the 14th?
As I read (and been looking on pictures). This period is quite hard to find 14th longswordscabbards from so if somebody have a picture of it from the 14th, pleas let me know. I will be realy glad!

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Apr, 2012 11:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I wanted to see if anyone perhaps had any idea how to go about doing a more extensive knot like the one on the scabbard of the sword on the right here: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/download.php?id...0b4e5660de
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PostPosted: Wed 31 Oct, 2012 1:59 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Bumping again..this deserves it Happy
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PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2013 5:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi, fellow scabbard makers.

I'd like to know, if you wet the leather straps before making those 15th century scabbard knots or do you tie them dry?

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PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2013 6:36 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed 15 May, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks a lot, Tod! Happy
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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jul, 2015 1:10 pm    Post subject: Knotted scabbard hanger         Reply with quote

Another version I have seen on these knots has the working end folding back over, and feeding through with the first end, instead of tucking under the middle band. Then both ends go up to form a buckled belt loop with the tails going behind the belt, over and down the front of the belt with the buckle being placed below the belt; formed by two overlapping rings or something similar to a Conway buckle.
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PostPosted: Mon 27 Jul, 2015 11:24 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I also wouldn't mind seeing the rear attachment point for the two straps on the scabbard...anyone have pics?
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PostPosted: Thu 10 Dec, 2015 9:04 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Mathieu,

That was not doubt a very helpful reply. Thanks for the clear pictures.
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Alexander B.




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PostPosted: Tue 08 May, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have to say, I find it difficult to really tighten this knot, and especially after the leather dried, it has wiggle room to move about ...and I never get the back sides anywhere near neat :/

Or do these straps have to be very thin and flexible, and be tied whilst dry?

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Matt E.




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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct, 2018 9:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sorry for the thread resurrection. But I got myself some leather and some tools and am actually looking into doing this type of sword belt.

I have a kingston Arms Type XIV, and I wanted a way to hang it from a belt. The knotted way seems pretty simple (I have seen similar ones that are riveted to hold onto the scabbard with pressure too.)

My main questions now are the general width of these belts usually. I have been looking at fittings, and Makeyourownmedieval has affordable ones. Tods stuff has good ones, and also parts I cannot find anywhere else (belt slider and hook). Though the width of things seems to be different for each thing. Seems 20mm would be a decent width, and I can do some tapering on the end parts.

From what I understand, I make a belt, with a slider that has an eyelet to accept a hook. Seems simple? Then I knot two other straps to the sword. The top one having a buckle on it on the trailing end. The other ends leading to a hook.

Though I did notice that the leather I got is only 50" long rather than the usual i see of about 60. But it is 3" wide, so I can get multiple strips out of it as well.

Sorry for the thread resurrection, and if I could have started a new thread on this.
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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct, 2018 12:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

HI Matt,

This video may help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2OeMstdna0

20mm - 25mm is a good width for a longsword belt, but use thick leather at around 3.5mm 1/8" (not sure in ounces as we don't use that system over here)

Using a slider etc that I sell is fine and looks dandy, but it can be done just by making a loop in the two hanging straps and threading the belt through that loop and so avoids any hardware.

If you want hardware these pieces will sort you out

https://todcutler.com/collections/sword-chapes/products/sword-belt-set-1
https://todcutler.com/collections/sword-chapes/products/belt-slider
https://todcutler.com/collections/sword-chapes/products/distributor-2

Good luck


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PostPosted: Fri 05 Oct, 2018 5:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Leo Todeschini wrote:
HI Matt,

This video may help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2OeMstdna0

20mm - 25mm is a good width for a longsword belt, but use thick leather at around 3.5mm 1/8" (not sure in ounces as we don't use that system over here)

Using a slider etc that I sell is fine and looks dandy, but it can be done just by making a loop in the two hanging straps and threading the belt through that loop and so avoids any hardware.

If you want hardware these pieces will sort you out

https://todcutler.com/collections/sword-chapes/products/sword-belt-set-1
https://todcutler.com/collections/sword-chapes/products/belt-slider
https://todcutler.com/collections/sword-chapes/products/distributor-2

Good luck


Tod


Thank you for the reply Tod. The biggest thing I seem to be having trouble with is that everything seems to be slightly different sizes from everything else.
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