Pattern for knotted scabbard belt? -- myArmoury.com

Charles B · Posted: Sat 15 Jan, 2011 11:18 am Post subject:

Bumping an "oldie but goodie", hopefully no one minds. I just wanted to pass on my thanks to Mathieu for putting together that incredibly helpful picture-guide - I just used it to make a suspension for a new scabbard I got, and it works really well. Quick, easy, and it looks great!

Anders Jansson · Posted: Sat 15 Jan, 2011 11:34 am Post subject:

Interesting thread. I'm currently working on my late 14th longswordscabbard, and has somebody seen this design on some kind of illumination/altarpiece/document or something like that from the 14th?
As I read (and been looking on pictures). This period is quite hard to find 14th longswordscabbards from so if somebody have a picture of it from the 14th, pleas let me know. I will be realy glad!

Thanks
Anders

Scott Woodruff · Posted: Sat 28 Apr, 2012 11:20 am Post subject:

I wanted to see if anyone perhaps had any idea how to go about doing a more extensive knot like the one on the scabbard of the sword on the right here: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/download.php?id...0b4e5660de

Ralph Grinly · Posted: Wed 31 Oct, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject:

Bumping again..this deserves it Happy

Thomas R. · Posted: Wed 15 May, 2013 5:08 am Post subject:

Hi, fellow scabbard makers.

I'd like to know, if you wet the leather straps before making those 15th century scabbard knots or do you tie them dry?

Thomas

Leo Todeschini · Industry Professional

Thomas R. · Posted: Wed 15 May, 2013 7:33 am Post subject:

Thanks a lot, Tod! Happy

Russ Myrick · Posted: Wed 22 Jul, 2015 1:10 pm Post subject: Knotted scabbard hanger

Another version I have seen on these knots has the working end folding back over, and feeding through with the first end, instead of tucking under the middle band. Then both ends go up to form a buckled belt loop with the tails going behind the belt, over and down the front of the belt with the buckle being placed below the belt; formed by two overlapping rings or something similar to a Conway buckle.

M. Lanteigne · Posted: Mon 27 Jul, 2015 11:24 am Post subject:

I also wouldn't mind seeing the rear attachment point for the two straps on the scabbard...anyone have pics?

Kalu Charan Parida · Posted: Thu 10 Dec, 2015 9:04 pm Post subject:

Mathieu,

That was not doubt a very helpful reply. Thanks for the clear pictures.

Alexander B. · Posted: Tue 08 May, 2018 11:53 am Post subject:

I have to say, I find it difficult to really tighten this knot, and especially after the leather dried, it has wiggle room to move about ...and I never get the back sides anywhere near neat :/

Or do these straps have to be very thin and flexible, and be tied whilst dry?

Matt E. · Posted: Wed 03 Oct, 2018 9:28 am Post subject:

Sorry for the thread resurrection. But I got myself some leather and some tools and am actually looking into doing this type of sword belt.

I have a kingston Arms Type XIV, and I wanted a way to hang it from a belt. The knotted way seems pretty simple (I have seen similar ones that are riveted to hold onto the scabbard with pressure too.)

My main questions now are the general width of these belts usually. I have been looking at fittings, and Makeyourownmedieval has affordable ones. Tods stuff has good ones, and also parts I cannot find anywhere else (belt slider and hook). Though the width of things seems to be different for each thing. Seems 20mm would be a decent width, and I can do some tapering on the end parts.

From what I understand, I make a belt, with a slider that has an eyelet to accept a hook. Seems simple? Then I knot two other straps to the sword. The top one having a buckle on it on the trailing end. The other ends leading to a hook.

Though I did notice that the leather I got is only 50" long rather than the usual i see of about 60. But it is 3" wide, so I can get multiple strips out of it as well.

Sorry for the thread resurrection, and if I could have started a new thread on this.

Leo Todeschini · Industry Professional

HI Matt,

This video may help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2OeMstdna0

20mm - 25mm is a good width for a longsword belt, but use thick leather at around 3.5mm 1/8" (not sure in ounces as we don't use that system over here)

Using a slider etc that I sell is fine and looks dandy, but it can be done just by making a loop in the two hanging straps and threading the belt through that loop and so avoids any hardware.

If you want hardware these pieces will sort you out

https://todcutler.com/collections/sword-chapes/products/sword-belt-set-1
https://todcutler.com/collections/sword-chapes/products/belt-slider
https://todcutler.com/collections/sword-chapes/products/distributor-2

Good luck

Tod

Matt E. · Posted: Fri 05 Oct, 2018 5:19 am Post subject:

Matt E. · Posted: Wed 25 Nov, 2020 3:26 pm Post subject:

Wow, been 2 years! I ended up giving his a try!

This is a Kingston type 15 sword I got from kultofathena. It has a ridge on the throat.

So I got a really long 3/4" piece of 6oz leather. A bit thin, but I was going to tie it, so I thought i'd get it thinner.

I simply followed the pictures and it ended up really good. It is nice and tight and wont easilly slip down. I need to really pull on it. I think if I wet the leather and tied it tight it would be even tighter and woudlnt go anywhere.

Think I will dye it. Not sure if I want to make a whole belt, or have a hook on the back facing strap to attach it to another belt.

Matt E. · Posted: Wed 09 Dec, 2020 2:12 pm Post subject:

Also, I am wondering if anyone has a guide on how to do something like this.

Mark Millman · Posted: Thu 10 Dec, 2020 8:22 am Post subject:

Dear Matt,

Tod demonstrates that suspension knot at the beginning of one of his recent YouTube videos. It's the first one he shows. If you want to skip the introduction, it's at 1:03.

I hope this proves helpful.

Best,

Mark Millman