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Bill Grandy
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 Posted: Fri 02 Jan, 2004 9:57 am Post subject: Next Generation hilt fittings? |
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To the good folks at Albion:
I apologize if this question's already been answered, but I didn't see it in the other threads. Are all the hilt fittings for the Next Generation line going to be steel? I'm particularly interested in the Langraf, and if it's got steel parts, you'll be getting a call from me first thing once you guys reopen for the holidays!
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Jason Dingledine
Location: Aurora, Ohio Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Fri 02 Jan, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Next Generation hilt fittings? |
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| Bill Grandy wrote: | To the good folks at Albion:
I apologize if this question's already been answered, but I didn't see it in the other threads. Are all the hilt fittings for the Next Generation line going to be steel? I'm particularly interested in the Langraf, and if it's got steel parts, you'll be getting a call from me first thing once you guys reopen for the holidays! |
Hi Bill,
The fittings for the Landgraf are in steel, so I guess we'll be hearing from you. Also, there will be some pommels that will be cast in bronze (The Prince I believe is one of them), but the majority will be steel. I think that there is talk in one of the threads about the bronze pommels (info from Peter, so do a search by author to find it), but I'm not sure which it is.
Jason Dingledine
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Bill Grandy
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That sounds great! The Langraf it is for me!
I'm glad you guys are talking about bronze pommels for some. That's a feature on so many originals that is very underrepresented in the current sword market (as are so many of the things you guys are doing).
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Matt Easton
Location: Surrey, UK. Joined: 30 Jun 2004
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Sorry for resurrecting such an old thread, but I couldn't find another more apt one, or one that answers my question.
My question is, what are Albion 'steel' hilt fittings made of exactly? I have noted that chemical blueing, whilst it turns the peened tang end and blade blue, does not turn the pommels or guards blue - does anyone know why? Are they a funky alloy?
Cheers,
Matt
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Sean Flynt
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Robin Smith
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| Matt Easton wrote: | Sorry for resurrecting such an old thread, but I couldn't find another more apt one, or one that answers my question.
My question is, what are Albion 'steel' hilt fittings made of exactly? I have noted that chemical blueing, whilst it turns the peened tang end and blade blue, does not turn the pommels or guards blue - does anyone know why? Are they a funky alloy?
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According to Albion's website, they are investment cast in mild steel.
As far as I understand it, and someone correct me if I am wrong, but the higher the carbon content the darker a steel will get with oxidation, bluing, or etching. This is the reason iron etches lighter than steel. Mild steel should be no different. Given the same amount of oxidation it will darken less than a steel of higher carbon content.
A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine
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Matt Easton
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Hi Sean,
This is a sword I have owned for a few years, so it's highly unlikely that any surface oil is different on the pommel compared to the peened tang end. It seems to me that whatever type of steel that Albion use for their hilt fittings just doesn't react to chemical blueing like carbon steel does. The peened tang went a lovely blue colour. 
Schola Gladiatoria - www.swordfightinglondon.com
YouTube: www.youtube.com/user/scholagladiatoria
Antique Swords: www.antique-swords.co.uk/
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Matt Easton
Location: Surrey, UK. Joined: 30 Jun 2004
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Robin Smith
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| Matt Easton wrote: | | Hi Robin, I know it is supposedly mild steel, but I'm wondering if they've mixed a little of another metal in there, to aid the casting process? |
"Mild Steel" is a pretty broad term, and often companies Mild Steels will have a big variance in what alloying elements are allowed. If I understand correctly, Mild Steel is allowed to have more variance than an AISI standard steel like 1018.
I could be off. Most of my steel knowledge comes by way of welding school. I'm sure a bladesmith could come in and explain it better than I can.
A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine
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Matt Easton
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Robin Smith
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| Matt Easton wrote: | It's odd. I tried the gun blue gel on various bits of mild steel I have, including manufactured things like a buckler, and they all went blue. But not the Albion hilt fittings.  |
Like I said, Mild Steel is a pretty broad term for just about any steel with a low enough carbon content. You can have big range and variation in what alloying elements are present in Mild and its all still considered "Mild Steel".
A furore Normannorum libera nos, Domine
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Matthew P. Adams
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It's a shame the fittings aren't dismount able (in this instance). I have had very good luck blueing hilt furniture by putting on a layer of boiled linseed oil and baking at 500F. A couple of cycles will get a nice tortus shell effect, and five or so coats gives you a very deep black. I got the idea after seasoning some cast iron. Since its the oil that darkens, it shouldn't rely on a type of metal.
"We do not rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training" Archilochus, Greek Soldier, Poet, c. 650 BC
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Eric Meulemans
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You don't mention which model you are working with. The Maestro, Skirmish, and earlier Squire Line swords use stainless parts, which would explain your issues.
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Matt Easton
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This is a standard topic