[Robert Hinds]

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but since it had to deal with reproduction armour I felt it was okay.

Does anyone know where to buy maile standards (collars)? They seem to have been pretty popular in the 15th century but internet searches bring up nothing...

If you can't buy them, are they one of those things people usually make themselves?

This is probably a noobie question but I didn't know where else I could find out.

Any information is appreciated.

[M van Dongen]

http://www.getdressedforbattle.co.uk/acatalog...aille.html

That's one option.

http://historicenterprises.com/standard-alter...th=101_141

And that's two.

[Robert Hinds]

Thank you, you've been very helpfull.

[Michael B.]

To add to the list:
Ice Falcon
http://store.fastcommerce.com/icefalcon/top-q...183-c.html

[Augusto Boer Bront]

Another one
http://www.battlemerchant.com/Chain-Mail:::5....3f07de20f3

[D. Swift]

Also recommended: http://www.capapie.co.uk/standards.html

[Jean Thibodeau]

I like the one that stands up and covers the neck up high under the chin, those that end at the base of the neck don't really protect the neck in my opinion although they do add to shoulder protection.

I also wonder if there are not two types of these that resemble each other and might overlap in function: These would be the maille standard which I think should protect the neck and more or less cover the top of the shoulders and the much wide and deeper bishop's mantels that cover the shoulders and can extend to almost solar plexus level so function as well as an upper chest protection. Do some maille standard/bishop's mantels do both cover the upper chest but also have a high maille collar ?

Not helping you much in finding one but my question might be useful in deciding what type and what extent of coverage one would like or need depending on what other armour one is using with it.

I also imagine that when helms like sallets and armet became popular a full maille coif became obsolete even more so than when maille aventaile attached to the bottom rim of a bascinet made the full coif wasteful of maille since the maille over the head would be useless to uncomfortable under a helm: At this point a maille standard became a convenient and more flexible option to wearing a bevor or extra protection under the bevor and attaching maille to the bottom of a sallet doesn't make sense but the standard does the job the aventaille or the earlier full coif does and works well with the sallet's wide and deep sides to protetect the neck.

[Jean Thibodeau]

Oh, maybe you could get a coif and cut of the top part leaving as much of the high neck coverage you might want ?

You might have to add some leather collar attached inside to the standard to be able to close it properly, stiffened/padded and not have it sag.

Might be easier to find a full coif than a standard with a high collar ? All depends on what you can find out there and the prices of a cheap Indian made coif modified to a standard being lower than a custom made standard if you can't find one you like.

[Robert Hinds]

Yea I like the standup ones too, acording to my books they had thicker rings at the top to allow then to be stiff.

That's an intreresting idea jean, I already have a maile coif (although its butted ) maybe I should try that...

[David Teague]