[Mark T]

Here are some more from the Pastrana tapestries. Sorry for the small file size of some.

And here's some background on the tapestries from a story about their restoration (at http://en.lacerca.com/news/cultura/pastrana_t...4-1.html):

[Mark T]

The first post I made in this thread was a quote from Edge & Paddock listing two sources for brigandines with spaulders as 'the Azila Tapestries' and the Burrell Collection's 'Hercules initiating the Olympic Games' tapestry.

The 'Azila Tapestries' and the 'Pastrana Tapestries' (in the images above) are one and the same (http://www.bridgemanart.com/image/Portuguese-...amp;page=6).

Below is the 'Hercules' tapestry. Again, it's hard to make out the detail at this resolution, but Edge & Paddock have a large, good quality image on page 122. Their caption reads:

[Mathieu Harlaut]

Hi,

If you want to see all brigandine pauldrons and sleeves you could wish for and a lot of details from the Pastrana Tapestries try this:

http://picasaweb.google.com/10018126424050117...ssels2010#

There are a lot of interesting details in those tapestries not only on brigandines.

Regards,

Mathieu

[Mark T]

Mathieu - Wow! What a fantastic collection of photos ... 95 detailed photos, and almost every one of them contains brigandines with spaulders. The diversity and detail is amazing. Thank you so much for these!

[Iagoba Ferreira]

Thanks, Mathieu!

The Toledo cathedral choir seats depict the whole Granada campaign, slightly later that century, but without that detail. Like in those tapestries, most "common" soldiers wear the sleeved brigandines. Sadly, I haven't found detalied photos online.

Both sources are priceless to know about the late 1400's artillery in the Iberian peninsula (OK, Azila is on Africa, but...)

[Scott Woodruff]

Thank you very much Mark T and Mathieu for the pics. They have been most helpful to me. I am hoping to start a brigandine soon and you have provided me with a wealth of ideas.

[Mark T]

Okay, so we've clearly established the use of brigandines with spaulders ... but in the interests of completeness, and adding to this topic as a wider resource, here's another source: Sir James Mann's glossary entry for 'Brigandine' from Wallace Collection catalogues: European arms and armour (Volume 1: Armour), London: William Clowes and Sons, 1962, p. xxxv:

[Mark T]

Found a few more ... these come from that annoying genre of book that includes lots of images, but little to no detail about them!

The first appears on page 6 of Castles and fortifications from around the world, Christopher Gravett (Ludlow: Thalamus Publishing, 2006).

Spotting brigs with spaulders can be a bit like playing Where's Wally at times ... this one has four.

[Mark T]

More spot-the-spaulers ... this one from Trait de la forme at devis comme on fait les tournois, by Rene de Anjou, as reprinted on p. 41 of The book of the medieval knight, Stephen Turnbull (London: Arms and Armour Press, 1995).

This image shows three brigs with spaulders ... it's interesting how there are a few sources that show multiples in the one image. Unless the painter/illustrator was just wanting to show diversity, then perhaps we can infer that brigs with spaulders were either relatively popular, or were common in certains times and places.

I especially like this image, as one (if not two) of the brigs clearly show the form of the plates underneath the brigandine cover ... we usually only get to infer the 'brigandined' construction of the spaulders in other images from their trefoil rivet patterns, so this image provides the proof positive.

[Mark T]

This image puts us back in the realm of 'possible' spaulders, as it's unclear whether the yellow/gold dots are meant to be rivets on a brigandine, or something else (many other images of this type clearly show rivets in a trefoil pattern). However, it's worth including as a possibility, and another good hint of how fantastic red brig spaulders can look in conjunction with plate arms ...

This image from Knights in history and legend, Constance Brittain Bouchard et al (Lane Cove, Sydney: Global Book Publishing, 2009), again without artist details:

[Mark T]

Another fantastic tapestry image, clearly showing three points where the brigandine spaulders are attached.

[Mark T]

This one also comes from the Bouchard book above. The only source infomation given is 'This copy of a medieval illustraiton of the battle [of Agincourt] dates to the nineteenth century'.

It shows what are likely two brigandines with brig spaulders - the blue/black one in the upper left of the detail, and the red one in the lower right.

[Mark T]

One more ... this image courtesy www.art-archive.com (hence the watermark) - will try to post better image here soon.

[Mark T]

Another ...

[Mark T]

Another one: The Adoration of the Magi c. 1450, Jean Fouquet (1420-1480):

[M Boyd]

I know this is going way back but this image fits right in:

From:
Morgan M.63 Book of Hours

[Matthew Murrell]

Would they for example have worn brig spaulders on their own with out a brig say with a breat plate, or are brg spaulders a brig only addition ?

[Kai Lawson]

A few images earlier (the fallen blue guy with rondells?) and the last image especially look to me like covered breastplates and brig. shoulders.

For those who've worn them: are they stiffer/less likely to compress than uncovered spaulders? They look great, and I want to make some. Does the addition of cloth covering restrict the plates' movements at all? (I doubt this would be an issue, but I was wondering about it...)