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Tom King
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 Posted: Fri 11 Sep, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject: windlass sword of the viking king |
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I'm interested in the sword of the viking king by windlass but i dont know much about its quality, any info will be greatly apriceated. Also, if you know of a better viking style sword in the 300 to 500 price range please recommend it. Windlass's quality varies so i want to make an educated decision.
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Philip C. Ryan
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| Posted: Sat 12 Sep, 2009 12:15 am Post subject: |
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No clue about the sword....but if the horrendously inaccurate/ hollywood styled scabbard is any indication......
Skjaldborg Viking Age Living History and Martial Combat
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Luka Borscak
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I can personally recommend both Hanwei Tinker Viking and DT2105. I have Hanwei and have handled DT in a shop. Hanwei is agile, fast sword with great distal taper and nice finish, but it seems that the leather of the grip is tucked under the guard and when it comes out the guard starts rattling. I temporarily fixed that with wooden wedges until my local smith finds some time to disassemble it and repeen it. DT is a sword with a looot of punch, quite a blade presence, not as fast as Hanwei but still good handling. The hilt parts are really beautiful. It will also probably loosen after awhile, but DT swords are usually easy to fix, just a few hits with a hammer to tighten the peen should work. It works with my 2 DT swords.
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David Lewis Smith
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Not a fan of Windless
Personally I would shave a few extra dollars and go with Albion.
The other swords particularly the Tinkers are very good swords as well.
David L Smith
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M. Eversberg II
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| Posted: Sat 12 Sep, 2009 6:43 am Post subject: |
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That's the worst scabbard I have ever seen.
Tinker has a design much like that sword, with a much plainer scabbard; if it's the dimples you're after, he's got them.
M.
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Tom L.
Location: Toronto, Canada Joined: 20 Jun 2008
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I don't know......the windlass sword could have worked for me.....if they hadn't gone and messed it up by covering the scabbard with those two chunks of faux reindeer fur.  That's one thing I've noticed about Windlass: they often come out with decnt looking swords but then ruin them with one little quirk such as horrible scabbard mounts, a ugly pommel/grip/guard, or bad colour choices on the fittings.
I have a cunning plan Mr. B.
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Tom King
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Actually, it is based on a historical sword and the scabbard is almost a perfect reproducion. I'm not sure what museum its in, but I found it in a book. The hanwei tinker viking does look especially good and i've grown to trust hanwei's quality in all thier products, but the blunted versions blade is a turnoff. Pretty much i just want to know whether the blade of this thing will crack or drastically fail against a shield. I dont really need a cutter right now and my basher is hanwei's practical norman.
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Joe Fults
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| Posted: Sat 12 Sep, 2009 10:51 am Post subject: |
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If nothing else the scabbard is perfect for a campy 80's sword and sandal barbarian warrior. Some of those movies were so terrible that they were great!!! So in its own way, its historically accuate for that period at least!  
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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Tom King
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| Joe Fults wrote: | | If nothing else the scabbard is perfect for a campy 80's sword and sandal barbarian warrior. Some of those movies were so terrible that they were great!!! So in its own way, its historically accuate for that period at least! |
No seriously, the only differences are that the origional has a rounded tip and the embossed leather in the center of the scabbard is different. So all of you are bashing the tastes of a 9th century jarl.
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Joe Fults
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| Posted: Sat 12 Sep, 2009 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom King wrote: | | Joe Fults wrote: | | If nothing else the scabbard is perfect for a campy 80's sword and sandal barbarian warrior. Some of those movies were so terrible that they were great!!! So in its own way, its historically accuate for that period at least! |
No seriously, the only differences are that the origional has a rounded tip and the embossed leather in the center of the scabbard is different. So all of you are bashing the tastes of a 9th century jarl. |
Well...no.
I loved the 80's and I loved those campy movies. Whether they got anything historically correct or not was completely unintentional I'm sure. I'm just being silly but it does bring those memories back. 
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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Artis Aboltins
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| Posted: Sat 12 Sep, 2009 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom King wrote: | | Joe Fults wrote: | | If nothing else the scabbard is perfect for a campy 80's sword and sandal barbarian warrior. Some of those movies were so terrible that they were great!!! So in its own way, its historically accuate for that period at least! |
No seriously, the only differences are that the origional has a rounded tip and the embossed leather in the center of the scabbard is different. So all of you are bashing the tastes of a 9th century jarl. |
Please, woudl you be able to recall what museum piece is this "reconstruction" of the scabbard based on? Would be really interesting to learn.
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Tom King
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I found it in a badly written book by R.G. Grant Warrior: a visual history of the fighting man. All It had was the picture without its source and an agnowledgments page with sources ranging from the viking ship museum of Roskilde, denmark to Halfdan Badgerbeard. It looks like a Museum piece in the picture, but it could be some overweight
pseudo-vikings toy. If windlass made a reproduction of it, then it must have some historical precidence.
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Artis Aboltins
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| Tom King wrote: | I found it in a badly written book by R.G. Grant Warrior: a visual history of the fighting man. All It had was the picture without its source and an agnowledgments page with sources ranging from the viking ship museum of Roskilde, denmark to Halfdan Badgerbeard. It looks like a Museum piece in the picture, but it could be some overweight
pseudo-vikings toy. If windlass made a reproduction of it, then it must have some historical precidence. |
I would not bet on something having a historical source just because Windlass has made the item in question. To my knowledge, there are no fully surviving scabbards from the Viking age, what we have are fragments, bits and pieces, mostly wooden/leather/cloth layers surviving under the metal of chape or similar. And especially, there is no fur-covered parts surviving. That means that such a scabbard would clearly stand out from any other finds and if it is indeed something real, it would be extremely valuable to know where it came from.
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Tom King
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| Posted: Fri 01 Jan, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: Windlass |
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To any who care I bought it and I'm returning it as fast as possible. There are so many problems with this sword I cant even begin to list all of them. The scabbards effed in ways that seem ludicrous (most notably the leather is stressed and the silver plating was turned from the box)Besides the casting problems on the hilt, THE GRIP IS TOO DAMN SHORT!!! I'm a small guy with 4in wide hands and i cant swing it correctly! Warning to everyone, STAY AWAY. Hanwei Tinker viking here I come!
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Ben Sweet
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| Posted: Fri 01 Jan, 2010 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Windlass |
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| Tom King wrote: | | To any who care I bought it and I'm returning it as fast as possible. There are so many problems with this sword I cant even begin to list all of them. The scabbards effed in ways that seem ludicrous (most notably the leather is stressed and the silver plating was turned from the box)Besides the casting problems on the hilt, THE GRIP IS TOO DAMN SHORT!!! I'm a small guy with 4in wide hands and i cant swing it correctly! Warning to everyone, STAY AWAY. Hanwei Tinker viking here I come! |
Tom can you post up photos of your sword? I'm curious to see how it compares with the advertised sword
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Bryce Felperin
Location: San Jose, CA Joined: 16 Feb 2006
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I don't buy Windless or it's associated brands. They tend to steal designs from Del Tin and others and do a cheaper job of it with much less quality...but that isn't the reason.
The reason I don't buy from them is that with so many more sword makers out there you can always find better for a couple hundred dollars more. If you're going to buy a $200-$300 sword, then why not save a bit mroe and buy a $500-$600 sword that will be twice as good and last twice as long! i bought some cheaper swords when I first started out and ended up giving them away to get rid of them. Simply put, I didn't want to take money for them and feel the guilt about selling substandard swords to friends or others in the community.
So unless you have a problem saving the money for something better...hold out and get a better quality sword rather than a cheap one. The Hanwai swords are getting better, the Del Tin's are good, but I would hold out for an Albion. If you need it for sparring or drills then a cheap sword makes some sense...but save up for a top notch sword like an Albion if you really want a sharp sword that is well made. You'll thank yourself later on when in several years you get to know what are good swords and what are ok swords and what are bad swords.
Best of luck,
Bryce
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JE Sarge
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I'd go for the Hanwei-Tinker. WSS has them on sale for $175.00 shipped in the US, and to be honest; this sword is made to a much higher standard with better looking furniture over it's Windlass counterpart. Not to mention it does not come with the god-awful scabbard:
http://www.wiwingtiswordsupply.com/specialoftheweek.html - you will find the H/T Viking listed 4th down on the page...
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"But lack of documentation, especially for such early times, is not to be considered as evidence of non-existance." - Ewart Oakeshott
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Tom King
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| Posted: Sat 02 Jan, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| JE Sarge wrote: | I'd go for the Hanwei-Tinker. WSS has them on sale for $175.00 shipped in the US, and to be honest; this sword is made to a much higher standard with better looking furniture over it's Windlass counterpart. Not to mention it does not come with the god-awful scabbard:
http://www.wiwingtiswordsupply.com/specialoftheweek.html - you will find the H/T Viking listed 4th down on the page... |
Does that sale end this sunday or next week! I need to get in on that!
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