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Mike Harris
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 Posted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: First look at Generation2 Knightly Riding Sword |
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Clyde Hollis at Imperial Weapons is working on a new Knightly Riding Sword. He was kind enough to send the first prototype to Adam Sharp and myself for an early look and testing, and to provide input for changes to the production version. We put together a joint review and made suggestions for changes to the production version. It is published to the Sword Buyer's Guide Forum.
I thought some folks here might like to take a look. Here's a link to the review in case anyone would like to see what we had to say.
I would like to thank Clyde for being responsive to the sword buying community's desires by allowing normal consumers like us to provide input and have an impact on future production swords.
Thanks,
Mike
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Nathan Robinson
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Mike Harris
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| Posted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Thank you, Nathan. I appreciate your kind words.
I didn't weigh the sword when I had it, since it's going to change considerably before it goes into production. If I guessed, I would say between 1lb, 15 ozs and 2 lbs, 3 ozs. But those are just guesses. My take is that the production version will weigh just under 2 lbs.
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Mike Arledge
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| Posted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| Mike Harris wrote: | Thank you, Nathan. I appreciate your kind words.
I didn't weigh the sword when I had it, since it's going to change considerably before it goes into production. If I guessed, I would say between 1lb, 15 ozs and 2 lbs, 3 ozs. But those are just guesses. My take is that the production version will weigh just under 2 lbs. |
Neat work Mike, glad to see you getting the early word out.
Keep us posted please!
Mike J Arledge
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Mike Harris
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| Posted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. But I must say that at least half of this was Adam Sharp. He really got things rolling and did most of the grunt work of getting the co-review put together. I'm just the luck guy with the still and video cameras. 
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Clyde Hollis
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Location: Tennessee Joined: 06 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yes you both did a great job on the review.
Thanks,
Just wondering, any thoughts here?
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Chad Arnow
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I've just skimmed the review so far, but I was surprised to read that the reviewer considered Albion's Prince and Knigmaker to be riding swords. They're both of battle sword length and heft in my opinion.
ChadA
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a pic of the original sword, from the Christie's sale catalogue of Howard Curtis's collection (this sword was in Oakeshott's collection, the Douglas Ash's, the Howard Curtis's, now?).
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ChadA
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting review, now that I've had a chance to read through it. What I miss in it are straight-on overall and hilt shots. Angled shots make it hard to tell some of the proportions. The hilt seems a bit off from the original in shape and maybe size, but without a straight-on shot it's hard to know.
ChadA
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Posted: Mon 07 Jan, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | | Interesting review, now that I've had a chance to read through it. What I miss in it are straight-on overall and hilt shots. Angled shots make it hard to tell some of the proportions. The hilt seems a bit off from the original in shape and maybe size, but without a straight-on shot it's hard to know. |
I agree that angled shots can be hard to read as far as proportions are concerned.
The handle does look fairly long to me and maybe the Generation 2 version isn't that far off in size in comparison: Maybe half an inch too long instead of and inch as suggested. Personally I would rather have the handle half an inch shorter than half an inch too long.
I really like this one and I will seriously consider buying one when Kult of Athena has one in stock.
I might leave it as sold or do a little custom work on the handle to hide the steel spacer if it's still there under a new wrap.
Definitely not a deal breaker if the blade and guard shape is close to the original.
As to size: This one crosses over the line of large dagger to short SHORT sword and is very appealing as a backup weapon to a polearm if one wants to avoid carrying too long a sword that might get in the way or as a second sword for close in work in a shield wall or close melee.
Would be a good companion to my Dordogne. 
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M. Eversberg II
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| Posted: Tue 08 Jan, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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Handle is a bit thick for my hands I'm afraid. Otherwise, looks great.
M.
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Posted: Tue 08 Jan, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| M. Eversberg II wrote: | Handle is a bit thick for my hands I'm afraid. Otherwise, looks great.
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If there is enough " meat " on the wood core one could remove the leather covering and slim down the handle a bit and recover it: Basically what I did to my Dordogne as well as adding a riser.
Still, it all depends on being willing to turn the purchase into a home project and being sure that one will be capable of ending up with a good result.
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Clyde Hollis
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Location: Tennessee Joined: 06 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue 08 Jan, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | | Interesting review, now that I've had a chance to read through it. What I miss in it are straight-on overall and hilt shots. Angled shots make it hard to tell some of the proportions. The hilt seems a bit off from the original in shape and maybe size, but without a straight-on shot it's hard to know. |
Chad,
Here is the link to see the straight on shot.
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?p=121290#121290
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Dan Dickinson
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| Posted: Tue 08 Jan, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Clyde, if you are taking suggestion (which I think is a great idea BTW), may I suggest going with a type I pommel as per the original. I think by doing this it would allow you to make the pommel smaller in diameter, but still have anough mass to balance out the blade.
Thanks,
Dan
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Tue 08 Jan, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks! In putting the two side by side, it's obvious there are some differences:
 
The blade looks to be about the same width as the one in my larger pic of the original (it should be proportionally smaller). Ditto the grip length. The thickness, width, and curvature of the guard are also different, though the perspective could be skewed by the size of the grip and blade.
ChadA
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M. Eversberg II
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| Posted: Tue 08 Jan, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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If those are to scale then...I don't think I like the reproduction at all.
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Tue 08 Jan, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| M. Eversberg II wrote: | If those are to scale then...I don't think I like the reproduction at all.
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The pictures are not at the same scale. But looking at two pictures of different scales, you shouldn't see a grip length and blade width match...
ChadA
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Clyde Hollis
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| Posted: Wed 09 Jan, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | | M. Eversberg II wrote: | If those are to scale then...I don't think I like the reproduction at all.
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The pictures are not at the same scale. But looking at two pictures of different scales, you shouldn't see a grip length and blade width match... |
Yes this was the first and all we had was the picture, and blade length, not a scaled drawing.
In the information on the review from Mike and Adam we are going to shorten the handle length by 1" and also slim the handle down.
Also the blade width will be cut some as well, which will make this little sword even quicker and faster.
Thanks,
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Posted: Wed 09 Jan, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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The modifications should make it very appealing and be closer in proportions to the original.
Comparing the two in the pic the prototype looks/feels like a huge dagger while the original looks/feels like a small compact short sword: It really is all because of very subtle differences in handle, blade width, blade length, handle thickness.
There is also the issue of wanting to copy as closely as possible the proportions/size of the original or making a sword based on the original but with different but still good looking proportion on it's own merits i.e. A design decision, but either choice could work.
Since the original is so harmonious and attractive in proportions I would choose duplicating it as closely as possible.
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Clyde Hollis
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| Posted: Thu 10 Jan, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Jean Thibodeau wrote: | The modifications should make it very appealing and be closer in proportions to the original.
Comparing the two in the pic the prototype looks/feels like a huge dagger while the original looks/feels like a small compact short sword: It really is all because of very subtle differences in handle, blade width, blade length, handle thickness.
There is also the issue of wanting to copy as closely as possible the proportions/size of the original or making a sword based on the original but with different but still good looking proportion on it's own merits i.e. A design decision, but either choice could work.
Since the original is so harmonious and attractive in proportions I would choose duplicating it as closely as possible. |
Thank you as well Mr. John for your critique and feedback on this sword.
As soon as the first shipment comes in with the changes I will re-take pics and measurements and post them in the Manufacturers section.
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