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M. Wagner
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Posted: Sun 09 Sep, 2007 8:09 am Post subject: Crecy with blued crossguard and pommel? |
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Please share your thoughts on an Albion Next Generation Crecy with blued crossguard and pommel concerning authenticity and aesthetics. Il really like the contrast between a blued hilt and a bright blade, especially when drawn from a scabbard. Yet I hate making unthoughtful mistakes.
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Chad Arnow
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Posted: Sun 09 Sep, 2007 9:57 am Post subject: |
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M.,
Hello and welcome to myArmoury.com. We know a variety of treatments were used to prevent rust and/or give color. I do think a true fire-blueing looks better than modern chemical blueing though.
So I don't think blueing the hilt of the Crecy would be a problem.
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Joel Chesser
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Posted: Sun 09 Sep, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Hi, I think that a crecy with blued furniture would look great. Here is a link to Nathan Robinson's 1st gen crecy with blued fittings. Its not the same as a next gen, but should give you a good idea of what it might look like.
http://www.myArmoury.com/swor_alb_crec.html?9
..." The person who dosen't have a sword should sell his coat and buy one."
- Luke 22:36
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M. Wagner
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Posted: Sun 09 Sep, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to all for replying.
Chad Arnow wrote: | M.,
Hello and welcome to myArmoury.com. We know a variety of treatments were used to prevent rust and/or give color. I do think a true fire-blueing looks better than modern chemical blueing though.
So I don't think blueing the hilt of the Crecy would be a problem. |
Thanks, glad to be here.
As far as I've heard Albion does fire-blueing, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Joel Chesser wrote: | Hi, I think that a crecy with blued furniture would look great. Here is a link to Nathan Robinson's 1st gen crecy with blued fittings. Its not the same as a next gen, but should give you a good idea of what it might look like.
http://www.myArmoury.com/swor_alb_crec.html?9 |
The first gen blueing is chemical, isn't it? I really love the furniture colour of the Viceroy in this thread. This dark grey with a blue touch. Is this considered standard for fire blueing or do I have to phrase my wishes more detailed to get a similar colour on my furniture?
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Jared Smith
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Posted: Sun 09 Sep, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Crecy with blued crossguard and pommel? |
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M. Wagner wrote: | Please share your thoughts on an Albion Next Generation Crecy with blued crossguard and pommel concerning authenticity and aesthetics. |
Compatibility with "historical authenticity" seems to be part of your original inquiry. I am really hoping others can add here regarding museum cases where there is surviving evidence of "blueing."
There are claimed instances of 13th century knights (Black Prince) "blackening" mail. As far as I know, no one can rule out that some remaining swords were not "blued" originally, but that surviving specimens have lost that finish with time and older "conservation" practices.
Fire "blueing" or "gilding" is going to be more durable and attractive (in my opinion) than chemical blueing which I have done on swords and guns. Albion offers this (~$75 U.S. I think.) It is best done as part of the initial assembly and purchase.
The Bayerishes Museum sword that the Albion Munich is based upon has remnants of "gold fire gilding" (per examination and opinion of Peter Johnson.) This has been mis-diagnosed as "bronze gilt" by some sources. If it were not so well preserved, it would probably appear to be plain steel at this point. The reason I bring it up is because there was a variety of "fire guilding" techniques from the 12th century onward.
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t...ght=munich
Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence!
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Joel Chesser
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Posted: Sun 09 Sep, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not 100% sure about this, but i seem to recall hearing that Albion uses bluing salts. I understand the shaded of blue very. I also think that Nathan said that the blueing tends to kind of set. As it aged it changed shades. Like on his it went from that aqua color to a gray, similar to the viceroy.
..." The person who dosen't have a sword should sell his coat and buy one."
- Luke 22:36
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Jared Smith
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M. Wagner
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Posted: Thu 13 Sep, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: |
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It's ordered (with bluing). I'll post pics of it as soon as it arrives in a few months.
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Joel Chesser
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Posted: Thu 13 Sep, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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congrats. I'll look forward to seeing it.
..." The person who dosen't have a sword should sell his coat and buy one."
- Luke 22:36
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M. Wagner
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Posted: Sun 02 Nov, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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I recently got these pictures from Søren of Albion Europe, my order will be ready for shipping soon.
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Scott Kowalski
Location: Oak Lawn, IL USA Joined: 24 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sun 02 Nov, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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M. Wagner wrote: | I recently got these pictures from Søren of Albion Europe, my order will be ready for shipping soon. |
That is very striking looking and congratulations are in order. What color is the grip? The whole package looks great and will have the effect you are looking for I believe. Be sure to post pictures when you get it.
Scott
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M. Wagner
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Posted: Sun 02 Nov, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Grip colour is oxblood. Telling from the pictures it's not exactly what I had in mind (more red, less black), but I think I'll be just fine.
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Scott Kowalski
Location: Oak Lawn, IL USA Joined: 24 Nov 2006
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Posted: Sun 02 Nov, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Once again congratulations on a great looking sword. I thought it might be oxblood but wanted to confirm it. As I said in my previous post be sure to post pictures when you receive it.
Scott
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Julien M
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Posted: Mon 03 Nov, 2008 2:38 am Post subject: |
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M,
I received a Crecy myself through Albion Europe a few month ago. I must say that I like those hilt modifications, it really adds to the overall aesthetic of the sword. A far as bueing is concerned, it looks more like blackening to me on the pic above, looks almost like charcoal...but I love how it turned out. Oddly enough I like the oxblood grip as well ( I thought I didn't like oxblood...since it appeared to be close to burgundy on Albion’s color charts). Anyway I find mine a little bit plain now thanks to you!
Cheers,
Julien
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Rusty Knorr
Location: Seattle, WA USA Joined: 08 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon 03 Nov, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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I have a Crecy with "blackened furniture" and I will tell you it is very striking. The grip is oxblood which is a bit more of a light red rather than the dark red I would prefer but I will have it re-wrapped one of these days. Such an amazing sword...
-Rusty Knorr
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Douglas G.
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Posted: Mon 03 Nov, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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I concur wholeheartedly regarding the blued furniture on a Crecy, that's how I ordered mine which is with
Christian Fletcher right now being fitted for a scabbard and having the raised area of the pommel engraved
with an image of Jormungand, the Serpent of Midgard.
Doug G.
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