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Patryk Nieczarowski
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jan, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject: Groningen helmet by me         Reply with quote

Hello

I'm new member of Industry Professionals and this is my premier post here.
Few months ago I finished special reconstruction of very special helmet (for me ) - spiky helmet from Groningen from 5-6th. cen.

I tryed to build all helmet (exept forging steel plates from bars....I used 1,5 mm steel plates (DC 1). )only by as primitive method as it's possible.
Some tools and methods I used has historical sources and some was my own invention. I know maybe not all is exactly like form 5-6th. cen. but it wasn't my cause.

It's my private experiment so, I changed some parameters of the helmet ...but just little bit.

I made it with cooperation of Poul Mortimer - he helped me always when I needed. Thanx Poul.

Mybe this helmet isn't "a piece of the Art " but I'm very proud of it

I'm interested waht's Your opinion about my work ....be as hard as it's nesesery Big Grin

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Michal Plezia
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jan, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It is a nice piece.Congrats!
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jan, 2009 12:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Patryck,
It is a brilliant reproduction (the first I think) of a really important helmet.

Well done.

Paul
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jan, 2009 2:23 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I did a google search for "Groningen helmet", but the only result that looks like it might have been useful was on Roman Army Talk, which apparently has had its account suspended. What's the history of this kind of helm?

Good work, as well.

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A.A. Boskaljon




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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jan, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Just for the information, Groningen is a city and an area in the Netherlands Happy

Does anyone know iDutch Groningen?
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Jan, 2009 3:54 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hello!

Very nice!! (I love your forge, cool!! ) Is this a kind of alanian helmet from the 4-5th Century AC?

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Jan, 2009 5:59 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hello

I think the best person for this kind of the question is Poul ....he's the specialist ...I just made the helmet what is very interesting in my opinion

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Jan, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Groningen Helmet         Reply with quote

That's more than a helmet, sir-it's a work of art!
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Jan, 2009 11:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nice original. Is that the only one like it?

Also, Bill, what movie is your avatar from? It seems so familiar...

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Patryk Nieczarowski
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Jan, 2009 11:45 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hello

thanx everyones for aprobate Happy

as I know there's one more spiky helmet of the same period from Bremen in Germany ...that all what I know ,as I said I'm not specialist in this case Sad

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Jan, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patryk Nieczarowski wrote:

as I know there's one more spiky helmet of the same period from Bremen in Germany


Groningen is like 130km away from Bremen so pretty much the same area Happy
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Jan, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Avatar         Reply with quote

M.,
It's from the last few minutes of the first Narnia movie, The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe-
Bill

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PostPosted: Wed 14 Jan, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Both helmets are river bank finds with little context -- Mahand Vogt - who wrote the excellent book, Spangenhelme, believes that they are 5th to 6th century. One publication, 'Kings of the North Sea' (the catalogue of a travelling exhibition, 2000) puts the Groningen at 8th century - but it is possibly a typo. Certainly both helms have manufacturing techniques and stylistic attributes that seem to belong to the earlier period.

Perhaps we can convince Patryck that he should make the Brehmen helmet, too?


Paul
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Patryk Nieczarowski
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PostPosted: Wed 14 Jan, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

lovely idea Happy ....but only as oficial order ....when I think about making so many spiky rivets again WTF?!


I've few others my own projects for the helmet to do Happy

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