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PostPosted: Sat 08 Sep, 2007 2:34 am    Post subject: robert lord hungerford pictures         Reply with quote

hi
i'm looking for loads of good pictures on the hungerford Effigy
so we can make a replica of the armor
pleas help me

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PostPosted: Sat 08 Sep, 2007 7:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I went to images.google.com and typed in "robert lord hungerford."

Here are some of the results:




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PostPosted: Sat 08 Sep, 2007 8:31 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

i have the pictures from google
i need pictures from more angles to get a better idee about the lines and flutings of the armor
i want to build a aqurate reproduction of the armor
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Sep, 2007 6:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

What is the significance of the effigies' armoured feet resting on an animal, usually a dog?
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Sep, 2007 7:43 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper wrote:
What is the significance of the effigies' armoured feet resting on an animal, usually a dog?


It's debatable. Some say that the kind of animal depcited underfoot for brasses and effigies depends on how/where the person died. If they died at home (of old age, etc.), it could be a dog. If in war, maybe a lion. I think study has shown that those theories don't hold water, just like the theory that crossed legs on an effigy/brass denote a crusader.

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Sep, 2007 7:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Roger Hooper wrote:
What is the significance of the effigies' armoured feet resting on an animal, usually a dog?


One weird idea is that it would keep one's feet warm as well as being comforting in a cold badly heated castle plus maybe some sort of symbol of loyalty and to keep the dead person company ?

Nothing like a nice warm dog for cold feet. Eek! Laughing Out Loud Sort of the utilitarian theory ! I have no idea if this has merit though. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Sep, 2007 9:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

hungerford didn't die from old age
he was Executed as Found to be Guilty of Treason without Trial in the War of Roses
he did pick the wrong side

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Sep, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gr Ben wrote:
hungerford didn't die from old age
he was Executed as Found to be Guilty of Treason without Trial in the War of Roses
he did pick the wrong side

ben


Exactly. That's why animals at the feet can't mean what tradition has held they mean.

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PostPosted: Mon 10 Sep, 2007 9:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

[quote="Chad Arnow"]
Roger Hooper wrote:
What is the significance of the effigies' armoured feet resting on an animal, usually a dog?


I have always wondered about this as well. My take on this has been that it is primarily religious symbolism, angels cherubs and saints are usually placed in a superior position above the head and an animal (dog/wolf, lion, gryphon, dragon) below the feet symbolizing man's place in the natural order. what type of animal may simply be artistic license?
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PostPosted: Mon 10 Sep, 2007 10:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It is also odd that some of those underfoot animals look happy enough, while others seem distinctly uncomfortable.
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