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Ben Anbeek
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 Posted: Sat 08 Sep, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: robert lord hungerford pictures |
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hi
i'm looking for loads of good pictures on the hungerford Effigy
so we can make a replica of the armor
pleas help me
ben
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Sat 08 Sep, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: |
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I went to images.google.com and typed in "robert lord hungerford."
Here are some of the results:
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Ben Anbeek
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| Posted: Sat 08 Sep, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: |
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i have the pictures from google
i need pictures from more angles to get a better idee about the lines and flutings of the armor
i want to build a aqurate reproduction of the armor
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Roger Hooper
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What is the significance of the effigies' armoured feet resting on an animal, usually a dog?
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Mon 10 Sep, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Roger Hooper wrote: | | What is the significance of the effigies' armoured feet resting on an animal, usually a dog? |
It's debatable. Some say that the kind of animal depcited underfoot for brasses and effigies depends on how/where the person died. If they died at home (of old age, etc.), it could be a dog. If in war, maybe a lion. I think study has shown that those theories don't hold water, just like the theory that crossed legs on an effigy/brass denote a crusader.
ChadA
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Posted: Mon 10 Sep, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Roger Hooper wrote: | | What is the significance of the effigies' armoured feet resting on an animal, usually a dog? |
One weird idea is that it would keep one's feet warm as well as being comforting in a cold badly heated castle plus maybe some sort of symbol of loyalty and to keep the dead person company ?
Nothing like a nice warm dog for cold feet.   Sort of the utilitarian theory ! I have no idea if this has merit though. 
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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Ben Anbeek
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| Posted: Mon 10 Sep, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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hungerford didn't die from old age
he was Executed as Found to be Guilty of Treason without Trial in the War of Roses
he did pick the wrong side
ben
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Chad Arnow
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| Gr Ben wrote: | hungerford didn't die from old age
he was Executed as Found to be Guilty of Treason without Trial in the War of Roses
he did pick the wrong side
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Exactly. That's why animals at the feet can't mean what tradition has held they mean.
ChadA
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Thom R.
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[quote="Chad Arnow"] | Roger Hooper wrote: | | What is the significance of the effigies' armoured feet resting on an animal, usually a dog? |
I have always wondered about this as well. My take on this has been that it is primarily religious symbolism, angels cherubs and saints are usually placed in a superior position above the head and an animal (dog/wolf, lion, gryphon, dragon) below the feet symbolizing man's place in the natural order. what type of animal may simply be artistic license?
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Roger Hooper
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It is also odd that some of those underfoot animals look happy enough, while others seem distinctly uncomfortable.
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This is a standard topic