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Nick Trueman





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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 4:11 am    Post subject: Viking sword, Lund?         Reply with quote

Hi
A while back some good pics were posted about this sword and I have have just spent a hour looking for them? Anyway I remember a chap sent a pic of a pommel that came of a similiar sword to that of the Lund sword?

My memory fails me but I think I saw this pommel here?

Thanks Nick



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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 4:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Actually any info or pics would be appreciated. but the pommel from its sister sword is what Im looking for.

Thanks again,

N
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 5:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi Nick,
The picture you showed is of the Dyback sword. Now on display at Historiska Museum, Stockholm.

Another picture, with the lower part of the pommel positioned upside down .



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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 5:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Dyback sword!

Thank you, I was misinformed.

Nick


Jean Le-Palud wrote:
Hi Nick,
The picture you showed is of the Dyback sword. Now on display at Historiska Museum, Stockholm.

Another picture, with the lower part of the pommel positioned upside down .
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 11:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I believe that the lower part of the guard in this sword is actually the locket, or scabbard mouth, that has fused to the guard.
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PostPosted: Tue 17 Apr, 2007 1:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Douglas

Yep thats true, my brain is frying trying to remember where I saw the comparative sword to this one which still has a pommel.
Actually I think maybe only the pommel was only discovered?

It was a while back

N
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Jim Adelsen
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Does anyone have a good source of info for this sword? I was disappointed to see it's not in Swords Of the Viking Age. I thought I had read that the hilt was silver plated originally though it obviously has a goldish look to it now.
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Apr, 2007 11:42 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A document of mine states that "The curved lower and upper guards are of gilt-silver inlaid with niello; the (upper part of the) pommel is lost... The guards and scabbard mouth have cast and punched decorationin high relief.....
Stylistically, the Dybäck sword and another closely related one from Vrangabäck, also in southern Sweden, have generally been regarded as having been made in the Danish kingdom under strong Anglo-Saxon influence;"

The sword is item SHM 4515 at Statens Historika Museum.
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr, 2007 3:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

FWIW, the Dybäck sword is featured along with several similar ones in István Rácz's photobook "Viikinkien Perintö", where it's labeled "Skoone Östra Vemmenshög, Statens Historiska Museum 4515": all the complete specimens of this type depicted there have five-lobed pommels of varying styles.
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Nick Trueman





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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi

Ok I found or was sent a PDF about a Rus sword, it happens to also show the pommel of Dybacks sister sword! But I cant get the image from the PDF file. I know very little about computers, maybe someone here can help and I will be able to post the pic.

Cheers

Nick
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PostPosted: Thu 19 Apr, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thankyou Dan!

Here she is.



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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

So a really quick and dirty photo mod has the original looking something like this:


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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr, 2007 6:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong but gilt silver is just an outer covering kinda like plating? And niello is black? Kinda confusing since it always looks gold in pictures...

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A document of mine states that "The curved lower and upper guards are of gilt-silver inlaid with niello; the (upper part of the) pommel is lost... The guards and scabbard mouth have cast and punched decorationin high relief.....
Stylistically, the Dybäck sword and another closely related one from Vrangabäck, also in southern Sweden, have generally been regarded as having been made in the Danish kingdom under strong Anglo-Saxon influence;"

The sword is item SHM 4515 at Statens Historika Museum.

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr, 2007 6:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jim Adelsen wrote:
Interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong but gilt silver is just an outer covering kinda like plating? And niello is black? Kinda confusing since it always looks gold in pictures...


This is always confusing as phrases like silver-gilt can mean 1) silver overlayed with gold -or- 2) silver used as a gilding agent over some other method (as in "gilt with silver"). I typically assume "silver gilt" means #1, while silver-gilt means #2.

Scholars and other authors aren't akways careful with how they use such terms.

Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nick,
Thank you very much for this picture, I had never heard of this sister to the Dybäck sword.
What is interesting is that now we can imagine how the complete thing looked like (as on the photo mod by Dan).

Jim and Chad,
It's a bit more confusing for me since english is not my language, but I always understood "gilt-silver" as silver covered with gold, and after seeing the real thing at Stockholm I think I was right.

Another argument is found in a sentence of the same document saying "The weight of precious metal alone employed on the hilt and scabbard represents significant wealth."
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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jean Le-Palud wrote:

Jim and Chad,
It's a bit more confusing for me since english is not my language, but I always understood "gilt-silver" as silver covered with gold, and after seeing the real thing at Stockholm I think I was right.

Another argument is found in a sentence of the same document saying "The weight of precious metal alone employed on the hilt and scabbard represents significant wealth."


I think it should more correctly by "gilt silver" with no dash, making it silver that has been gilt with something (almost always gold). But that's just my opinion. Happy

Based on the gold coloring, I'd guess it to be gilt silver, not anything else.

Happy

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PostPosted: Fri 20 Apr, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

NO worries.

I only found out not long ago too. I will go through the PDF I have and see what it says about it and put it down here.
I would think it was made by the same craftsman?

N



Jean Le-Palud wrote:
Nick,
Thank you very much for this picture, I had never heard of this sister to the Dybäck sword.
What is interesting is that now we can imagine how the complete thing looked like (as on the photo mod by Dan).

Jim and Chad,
It's a bit more confusing for me since english is not my language, but I always understood "gilt-silver" as silver covered with gold, and after seeing the real thing at Stockholm I think I was right.

Another argument is found in a sentence of the same document saying "The weight of precious metal alone employed on the hilt and scabbard represents significant wealth."
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