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Wed 28 Feb, 2007 10:40 pm

Arms and armor from Musée du Louvre in Paris

In my opinion this is one of the best museums around the world. Really excellent artifacts.

Look at the sword attributed to Charlemagne. The condition of the blade is perfect. The pics unfortunately darken. It has its bright mirror polish still with very few small dots of inactive rust. Perfect condition for such an old sword. UNbelievable. THis sword is truly aweinspiring.

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Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani

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Manouchehr M.

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Wed 28 Feb, 2007 10:41 pm

More pictures of the sword posted above.

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Manouchehr

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Steve Grisetti

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Thu 01 Mar, 2007 3:36 pm

Re: Arms and armor from Musée du Louvre in Paris

Manouchehr M. wrote:

In my opinion this is one of the best museums around the world. Really excellent artifacts.....

No question about that! I love the Louvre, but I have only been there (physically, anyway) once.

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Chad Arnow

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Fri 02 Mar, 2007 5:21 pm

Manouchehr,
Thanks for posting these. I was especially happy to see the shot that shows the thickness of the coronation sword's scabbard. If I read it right, does the placard say the scabbard is from the end of 13th century and 19th century? I wonder which elements date from when. If the scabbard core dates from the 13th century, then that gives us one of the best pictures of how thick scabbard cores could have been. Of course, since this is a ceremonial sword, the scabbard may have made differently than for a combat sword.

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Randall Moffett

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Fri 02 Mar, 2007 10:59 pm

Nice pictures. I sent a link to a friend and he said.... " Hey its King Charles's sword" Interesting how famous that sword is. Nice pictures.

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Chad Arnow

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Sat 03 Mar, 2007 4:42 am

Charlemagne is an ancestor of mine (no genuflecting required :) ), so it's great to see more pics of this sword. It's one of the more recognizable ones out there.

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Steve Grisetti

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Sat 03 Mar, 2007 11:40 am

Chad Arnow wrote:

Charlemagne is an ancestor of mine (no genuflecting required :) ), so it's great to see more pics of this sword. It's one of the more recognizable ones out there.

Yes, your highness. :D

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Sat 03 Mar, 2007 11:46 am

Steve Grisetti wrote:

Yes, your highness. :D

Can I levy taxes in the old Holy Roman Empire lands?

Sorry, I'll get back on topic now.... :)

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Laurie W

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Mon 05 Mar, 2007 9:23 pm

Beautiful!

First time I had seen the scabbard for Charlemagne's sword. Love the hilt "edge on" shots. That's always missing in traditional photos of this piece.

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Johan S. Moen

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Tue 06 Mar, 2007 5:13 am

Thank you for the pictures Manouchehr!

Hm. In the 8th picture, it looks as if the terminals on the quillons have been added separately, as they seem to break the pattern on the top of the guard. Does anyone have any insight on that?

If I recall correctly, the sword was modified at various points throughout history, but I can't remember what was done to it...

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Manouchehr M.

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Sat 10 Mar, 2007 7:21 am

Chad Arnow wrote:

Manouchehr,
Thanks for posting these. I was especially happy to see the shot that shows the thickness of the coronation sword's scabbard. If I read it right, does the placard say the scabbard is from the end of 13th century and 19th century? I wonder which elements date from when. If the scabbard core dates from the 13th century, then that gives us one of the best pictures of how thick scabbard cores could have been. Of course, since this is a ceremonial sword, the scabbard may have made differently than for a combat sword.

Chad,

You are welcome. I do not know that but the wood is really really old. My guess would be that some of the embellishments were renewed later but that is only a guess.

The Reichsschwert has also its own scabbard.

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Manouchehr

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Sat 10 Mar, 2007 7:22 am

Randall Moffett wrote:

Nice pictures. I sent a link to a friend and he said.... " Hey its King Charles's sword" Interesting how famous that sword is. Nice pictures.

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Randall,

Yes indeed the sword is very famous.

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Manouchehr

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Sat 10 Mar, 2007 7:24 am

Johan S. Moen wrote:

Thank you for the pictures Manouchehr!

Hm. In the 8th picture, it looks as if the terminals on the quillons have been added separately, as they seem to break the pattern on the top of the guard. Does anyone have any insight on that?

If I recall correctly, the sword was modified at various points throughout history, but I can't remember what was done to it...

Johan Schubert Moen

Johan,

You are welcome. That is part of the dragonhead which is also inscribed. It is executed well actually, it breaks the pattern as you mentioned.

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Manouchehr

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Tue 13 Mar, 2007 11:25 am

Sword and dagger of trhe grand maitre of the order of the Malte. German work, second half of the 16 century.

These marvellous pieces are kept in the Louvre Museum.

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Sun 18 Mar, 2007 9:57 am

Dear friends,

Louvre has a very nice collection of bronze weapons from Luristan and northern parts of Iran.

enjoy.

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Manouchehr

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Sun 18 Mar, 2007 4:54 pm

Manouchehr M. wrote:

Dear friends,

Louvre has a very nice collection of bronze weapons from Luristan and northern parts of Iran.

enjoy.

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Manouchehr

Are the examples of the gorytos dated to the same period as the bronze artifacts?

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Sun 18 Mar, 2007 10:50 pm

John Cooksey wrote:

Manouchehr M. wrote:

Dear friends,

Louvre has a very nice collection of bronze weapons from Luristan and northern parts of Iran.

enjoy.

Kind regards

Manouchehr

Are the examples of the gorytos dated to the same period as the bronze artifacts?

Hi John

Good to see you here. Yes they are. As you know I depict and describe two of them in my book that are kept in the NAtional Museum of Iran in Tehran. They are from Luristan.

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Manouchehr

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Russ Ellis

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Mon 19 Mar, 2007 7:39 am

Chad Arnow wrote:

Manouchehr,
Thanks for posting these. I was especially happy to see the shot that shows the thickness of the coronation sword's scabbard. If I read it right, does the placard say the scabbard is from the end of 13th century and 19th century? I wonder which elements date from when. If the scabbard core dates from the 13th century, then that gives us one of the best pictures of how thick scabbard cores could have been. Of course, since this is a ceremonial sword, the scabbard may have made differently than for a combat sword.

I was noticing that as well. As you say that one might habe been a bit "over the top" since it was a coronation sword, however it certainly flies in the face of the trend over the last several years of demanding scabbards that are increasingly light, tapered and have a complex cross section. I would give a lot ot know if the scabbard was contemporary with the blade.

Manouchehr , you outdid yourself with thise pictures. They are the best I've seen of that sword from more angles then I've been able to find in any book.

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Mon 19 Mar, 2007 1:54 pm

Russ Ellis wrote:

Chad Arnow wrote:

Manouchehr,
Thanks for posting these. I was especially happy to see the shot that shows the thickness of the coronation sword's scabbard. If I read it right, does the placard say the scabbard is from the end of 13th century and 19th century? I wonder which elements date from when. If the scabbard core dates from the 13th century, then that gives us one of the best pictures of how thick scabbard cores could have been. Of course, since this is a ceremonial sword, the scabbard may have made differently than for a combat sword.

I was noticing that as well. As you say that one might habe been a bit "over the top" since it was a coronation sword, however it certainly flies in the face of the trend over the last several years of demanding scabbards that are increasingly light, tapered and have a complex cross section. I would give a lot ot know if the scabbard was contemporary with the blade.

Manouchehr , you outdid yourself with thise pictures. They are the best I've seen of that sword from more angles then I've been able to find in any book.

Russ

I will find out this information for you as I will travel to Louvre for a research project soon.

Thanks for your kind email. In my book I followed the same principle, each sword needs to be phtographed from as many angels as possible (there I could take the piecs out of their glass vitrine and inspect them closely and take pics). Very often swords are only phtographed from one or two angles leaving out lots of information.

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Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani

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Mon 19 Mar, 2007 10:03 pm

Manouchehr M. wrote:

Russ

I will find out this information for you as I will travel to Louvre for a research project soon.

Thanks for your kind email. In my book I followed the same principle, each sword needs to be phtographed from as many angels as possible (there I could take the piecs out of their glass vitrine and inspect them closely and take pics). Very often swords are only phtographed from one or two angles leaving out lots of information.

Kind regards

Manouchehr Moshtagh Khorasani

Excellent thanks so much! These have been some VERY fascinating photos! You are very generous to take the time to share all of them.

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