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Glen A Cleeton
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Posted: Sun 11 Feb, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: Babel Sword |
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Forgive a somewhat whimsical topic header but something that always confuses me is but a rose by any other name;)
I'm feeling that what may be lacking (at least from my perspective) is a cross reference of terms and designations. I just stumbled on a nice German list and wondered if others might wish to share both modern and archaic definitiions of swords from other languages (for now, all arms would be interesting too).
FWIW:
German English
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Klinge blade
Schwert sword
Kurzschwert shortsword
Breitschwert broadsword
Langschwert longsword
Stoßschwert thrusting sword
Krummschwert scimitar, sabre
Bidenhänder two-handed sword
Flamberge wavy-bladed sword (?)
Säbel sabre, scimitar
Krummsäbel sabre, scimitar
Säbelschwert saber (?)
Degen sword, epee (OE thegn); warrior (someone wielding a sword
Haudegen sword; veteran warrior
Stoßdegen smallsword
Rapier sword, rapier
Stoßrapier foil
Haurapier sword, rapier
Schläger sword, rapier
Florett foil
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A hasty cut and paste from elsewhere, so I hope it pasted well.
Thoughts? Additions? References?
Cheers
GC
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Chad Arnow
myArmoury Team
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Johan S. Moen
Location: Kristiansand, Norway Joined: 26 Jan 2004
Posts: 259
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Posted: Tue 13 Feb, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: |
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From Hjalmar Falks "Altnordische Waffenkunde" we have the following Norwegian terms for swords:
Sverd - sword (still in use, the normal word for sword )
Sax - a sword that can have one or two edges
Mækir - a sword that can have one or two edges
Skolm - a sword wielded by supernatural creatures, possibly the sword is of a magic or supernatural nature itself.
For the different parts of the sword we have:
Blad - blade
Underhjalt - crossguard
Overhjalt - pommel
Sverdknapp - pommel
Grep - grip
Mellomhjalt - i've seen this term used for the grip as well, though it might be of a more modern origin.
Modern definitions of sword types are:
Sverd - general term, often used to describe single-handed types
Langsverd - longsword
Bastardsverd - bastardsword
Tohåndssverd - two-handed sword
Rapir - rapier
Kårde - rapier, foil, epee
Breisverd/bredsverd - broadsword
Johan Schubert Moen
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Jean Le-Palud
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Posted: Fri 16 Feb, 2007 9:18 am Post subject: |
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For what I know, here is the french for some of the english terms:
English French
Sword Epée
Blade Lame
Thrusting sword Estoc
To thrust Frapper d'estoc
Scimitar Cimeterre (oriental sabre)
Sabre Sabre
Cutlass Sabre d'abordage (navy)
Two-handed sword Epée à deux mains
Rapier Rapière
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Vincent Le Chevalier
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Posted: Fri 16 Feb, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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I can add a number of French terms:
Coup de taille - a cut
Fauchon - falchion
Epée de cour - small-sword
Fleuret - foil
Epée à garde panier - Basket hilt sword
Epée à une main et demie - Hand and a half sword
Emoussé - blunt
For the parts of the sword:
Pommeau - pommel
Fusée - grip
Soie - tang
Tranchant - edge
Faux tranchant - false edge
Gorge, gouttière - fuller
Fort - strong
Faible - weak
Arc de jointure - knuckle guard
Anneaux de côté - side rings
Pas d'âne - finger rings
Fourreau - scabbard
Gaine - sheath
And some other weapons:
Masse d'armes - mace
Fléau d'armes - flail
Marteau d'armes - War hammer
Bouclier - shield
Framée - a spear used mainly by the Franks
Angon - a throwing spear used by the Franks (akin to the pilum)
Guisarme - bill
Corsèque - spiedo
Pertuisane - Partisan
And I'm sure I still forget many things :-)
Regards
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Vincent
Ensis Sub Caelo
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Glen A Cleeton
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Posted: Tue 20 Feb, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the additions folks.
The etymology of words is always fascinating to me and every little bit feeds that. What we see as the English description/definition often has much more distant roots. It is helpful to me, in more than just arms study.
Cheers
GC
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