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Cole Sibley
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 Posted: Tue 20 Dec, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject: Roundel Daggers: "pierced" rondels? |
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Are there any historical examples of the rondels of a dagger having designs "pierced" or etched onto them? Would brass be a common material for the rondels?
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John McFarlin
Location: Colorado Springs, CO Joined: 30 Oct 2005
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Cole,
A little delayed, but I know piercing was used as a common technique in the era when rondel daggers were fashionable.
I would say, yes.
Brass as a common material? That's a little more tricky. There was a material called "latten," which roughly equates to brass. We may be getting into differences at the molecular level if we say that modern brass is not appropriate for replica weaponry.
Best
John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire
Compagniye du Chalis: 1370-1420
www.mron.org
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Chad Arnow
myArmoury Team
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| Posted: Sun 02 Apr, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Roundel Daggers: "pierced" rondels? |
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| Cole Sibley wrote: | | Are there any historical examples of the rondels of a dagger having designs "pierced" or etched onto them? Would brass be a common material for the rondels? |
Brass wouldn't necessarily be common, but it is known to have been used. See here:
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/12768.html
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/12769.html
The fat part of the rondel is wood, but there are small brass rondels that sandwich them them.
As for me, I'm conviced that latten and brass are basically the same thing. I think the differences between modern brass and latten are about the same as between modern steel and steel used in 1400: maybe a slightly different alloy made a little differently, but the same general idea.
There are two examples in our Rondel Dagger spotlight with rondels of latten. There is another with rondels of brass.
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Alexi Goranov
myArmoury Alumni
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Pierced pommels of the rondel daggers were common. There are examples with pieced grips as well. Those two characteristics seemed to have been common in England. As far as pierced blades were concerned, I cannot really comment though I would not be surprised if it was done. Brass (laten) was definitely used for decoration on the blades, but I suspect that this was more common in 15th and later centuries. For some examples check the "rondel spotlight " article we have, if you have not done that already.
Alexi
oops. I posted at the same time as Chad.
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