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Chuck Russell
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 Posted: Fri 24 Mar, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: The halberd and other European polearms |
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The halberd and other European polearms, 1300-1650 (Historical arms series) by George A Snook
# Unknown Binding: 32 pages
# Publisher: Museum Restoration Service (1998)
# Language: English
# ISBN: 0919316387
does anyone have this book? is it worth getting? any details of what the 64 pictures are of? or are they all of pole arms in other books?
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Danny Grigg
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Steve Grisetti
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Whoa. :cool: Thanks for the link to the book pdf, Danny! It looks like a great primer on polearms.
"...dismount thy tuck, be yare in thy preparation, for thy assailant is quick, skilful, and deadly."
- Sir Toby Belch
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Eric Nower
Location: Upstate NY Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Thats Nice! Steves right it looks like a great intoduction to a vast subject.
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Danny Grigg
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I happened upon the link while searching for more infomation and pictures of the Kriegsgertel, which is shown in the link.
I actually have the printed book, not the pdf, however from what I can tell the pdf is the entire book.
Does anyone have any information or pics to share of the German Kriegsgertel?
Thanks
Danny
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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| Posted: Sun 26 Mar, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| Danny Grigg wrote: | I happened upon the link while searching for more infomation and pictures of the Kriegsgertel, which is shown in the link.
I actually have the printed book, not the pdf, however from what I can tell the pdf is the entire book.
Does anyone have any information or pics to share of the German Kriegsgertel?
Thanks
Danny |
Kriegsgertel means War-Gertel. I can't think of a correct translation of "Gertel", but it was (and still is) a Gardening tool used for cutting branches. It's still being produced in Germany and Switzerland in different sizes. While Gertel is the name used for the Swiss-version (which is slightly bigger), the Germans call it a "Hippe". There is also a Kriegshippe.
The main difference between the war-version and the gardening tool is simply that the War-Gertel is mounted on a long pole.
Hope this helps a bit.
Interestingly the english link for the Gertel at wikipedia is the Billhook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billhook
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David Black Mastro
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| Wolfgang Armbruster wrote: | | Danny Grigg wrote: | I happened upon the link while searching for more infomation and pictures of the Kriegsgertel, which is shown in the link.
I actually have the printed book, not the pdf, however from what I can tell the pdf is the entire book.
Does anyone have any information or pics to share of the German Kriegsgertel?
Thanks
Danny |
Kriegsgertel means War-Gertel. I can't think of a correct translation of "Gertel", but it was (and still is) a Gardening tool used for cutting branches. It's still being produced in Germany and Switzerland in different sizes. While Gertel is the name used for the Swiss-version (which is slightly bigger), the Germans call it a "Hippe". There is also a Kriegshippe.
The main difference between the war-version and the gardening tool is simply that the War-Gertel is mounted on a long pole.
Hope this helps a bit.
Interestingly the english link for the Gertel at wikipedia is the Billhook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billhook |
Since a bill is a "gardening tool used for cutting branches", would it not be logical to postulate that gertel translates as "bill"?
"Why meddle with us--you are not strong enough to break us--you know that you have won the battle and slaughtered our army--be content with your honor, and leave us alone, for by God's good will only have we escaped from this business" --unknown Spanish captain to the Chevalier Bayard, at the Battle of Ravenna, 1512
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Matthew D M
Location: SouthEast Texas Joined: 04 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Nice! Printed it out for later reference.
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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| Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| David Black Mastro wrote: | | Wolfgang Armbruster wrote: | | Danny Grigg wrote: | I happened upon the link while searching for more infomation and pictures of the Kriegsgertel, which is shown in the link.
I actually have the printed book, not the pdf, however from what I can tell the pdf is the entire book.
Does anyone have any information or pics to share of the German Kriegsgertel?
Thanks
Danny |
Kriegsgertel means War-Gertel. I can't think of a correct translation of "Gertel", but it was (and still is) a Gardening tool used for cutting branches. It's still being produced in Germany and Switzerland in different sizes. While Gertel is the name used for the Swiss-version (which is slightly bigger), the Germans call it a "Hippe". There is also a Kriegshippe.
The main difference between the war-version and the gardening tool is simply that the War-Gertel is mounted on a long pole.
Hope this helps a bit.
Interestingly the english link for the Gertel at wikipedia is the Billhook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billhook |
Since a bill is a "gardening tool used for cutting branches", would it not be logical to postulate that gertel translates as "bill"? |
You're right. Sounds like the most logical translation :)
Some more info: The Kriegs-Hippe and Gertel were both used during the Bauernkriege (peasant-wars) in the early 16th century. People back then also turned flails and siccles into arms by mounting them on a pole. However, these weapons proved to be not very useful against mercenaries in armour with Pikes and Halberds.
Wikipedia, usually not my preferred tool of research, has a surprisingly well-written article on the topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants%27_War
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Danny Grigg
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Thanks for the information
So what's the different between the Kriegsgertel, Kriegssense, Kriegshippe and Kriegssichel?
Were they all peasant weapons invented during the Bauernkriege?
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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| Posted: Tue 28 Mar, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Danny Grigg wrote: | Thanks for the information
So what's the different between the Kriegsgertel, Kriegssense, Kriegshippe and Kriegssichel?
Were they all peasant weapons invented during the Bauernkriege? |
All I know is that these weapons were used during the Bauernkriege. Turning farming-tools into weapons is the next logical step for someone who doesn't have a lot of money at his disposal, so I wouldn't be surprised if people had done the same thing before the peasant wars.
But it's true that these weapons were used predominantly during the Bauernkriege.
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