Help identify 19th century sabre -- myArmoury.com

Rok Filipcic · Posted: Wed 25 Sep, 2019 5:04 am Post subject: Help identify 19th century sabre

Hi.

Can anyone help me in identifying this (in my opinion unusual) M 1861 sabre.

Thanks.
Rok

Alexander Ehlers · Posted: Wed 25 Sep, 2019 10:15 am Post subject:

To me, that doesn't look like a 1861 sabre but a British 18th century or early 19th century sabre. However I'm a bit hazy on my details of British swords. Where did you buy this sword from? And what are the markings on the blade?

Gregg Sobocinski · Posted: Wed 25 Sep, 2019 7:01 pm Post subject:

Any images of the blade or any markings? What is the handle material?

Jordan E. Williams · Posted: Wed 25 Sep, 2019 9:16 pm Post subject:

Definitely not British, or at least not any "native" British style

What's the mark on the blade say? Usually a brass B guard is Bavarian, infantry I believe, but this guard is lacking some of the details I would expect to see on any original sabre of this style, like the rolled quillon. Is there any etching on the blade?

I have seen reference to Austrian police sabres having brass hilts. But I would hesitate before definitely calling it one or the other.

Rok Filipcic · Posted: Fri 27 Sep, 2019 3:51 am Post subject:

The mark on the blade is Weyersberg Kirschbaum & Co Solingen.

I agree that the rolled quillon is missing. That is why I placed this question on the forum.

I am almost sure, that this is an Austrian sabre, but not military. Police/gendarmerie maybe.

Rok

Jordan E. Williams · Posted: Fri 27 Sep, 2019 8:06 am Post subject:

Yeah, here is a photo of the brass hilted police sword. Seems to match up.

Do you plan on restoring the piece?

http://www.swordforum.com/vb4/attachment.php?...1253718773

Rok Filipcic · Posted: Wed 09 Oct, 2019 11:06 pm Post subject:

Thank you all for the answers. And the photo.
Still, there is a rolled quillon missing.

Rok

Glen A Cleeton · Posted: Thu 10 Oct, 2019 5:30 pm Post subject:

Most likely for Austria and likely either an m1961 infantry or m1907 but you don't show the entire sword, nor mention dimension. The WKC puts it after the early 1880s. Does it bear both the crowned king and knight's bust or just the knights bust.? The quillon may have been trimmed.

Cheers
GC

Rok Filipcic · Posted: Thu 17 Oct, 2019 4:53 am Post subject:

The markings on the blade are not visible well.
There is also a sign Feller (Fehler?) et Co Wien.
There is a crown and something next to the crown. So I am guessing, that there are both crowned king and knight's bust.

The blade's length is 75 cm.

Thanks for your help.

Rok