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Stephen Curtin
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Posted: Sat 02 Nov, 2019 3:07 am Post subject: |
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As always your efforts are much appreciated Sean.
Éirinn go Brách
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Jonathan Dean
Location: Australia Joined: 16 Feb 2019
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Posted: Thu 07 Nov, 2019 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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I might be remembering wrongly, because I can't find it now, but wasn't there a guild regulation where aketons were made in quarters? I know the famous 1450/Louis XI jack was made in quarters, the pourpoint of Charles VI was made in quarters, and so was the 16th century Rothwell jack. It would be interesting to know how Middle Eastern, Indian and East Asian quilted armour was made and whether it was also assembled from quarters.
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Sean Manning
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Posted: Fri 08 Nov, 2019 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Jonathan Dean wrote: | I might be remembering wrongly, because I can't find it now, but wasn't there a guild regulation where aketons were made in quarters? I know the famous 1450/Louis XI jack was made in quarters, the pourpoint of Charles VI was made in quarters, and so was the 16th century Rothwell jack. It would be interesting to know how Middle Eastern, Indian and East Asian quilted armour was made and whether it was also assembled from quarters. |
Aside from the French ordonance of Louis XI, could you be thinking of the order for a doublet of defense in Sir John Howard's accounts with the fore quarters and rear quarters built differently? I have a 'modernization' somewhere under Late Medieval.
There are also Peter Beatson's article on Sudanese quilted coats which are built like high medieval clothing, and I have an article on petí cuirasses from India.
I would like to see more sources from North Africa/Syria/Iran/India in the Middle Ages too, but I am at the mercy of what people like David Nicolle and Manouchehr Khourasani point me to (and to the available translations). David Nicolle has written somewhere that many earliest Arabic military treatises have never been properly edited, and since he is an independent scholar he can't afford to commit the time and the airfare and do it himself.
www.bookandsword.com
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Jonathan Dean
Location: Australia Joined: 16 Feb 2019
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Posted: Fri 08 Nov, 2019 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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No, that's not the one I had in mind, but it is one that had slipped my mind.
The peti cuirasses are particularly interesting. The one being restored definitely seems to be made with quarters, as the late medieval garments seem to have been made. The Sudanese garment is more complex, but also argues for a paneled construction.
It's a real shame there isn't the interest/funding for properly editing and translating the early Islamic texts.
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Sean Manning
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James Arlen Gillaspie
Industry Professional
Location: upstate NY Joined: 10 Nov 2005
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Posted: Wed 08 Apr, 2020 8:40 am Post subject: |
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"pounds poix de marc"... What is this unit in modern units (pound and kilogram)?
jamesarlen.com
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Sean Manning
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Posted: Wed 08 Apr, 2020 8:58 am Post subject: |
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James Arlen Gillaspie wrote: | "pounds poix de marc"... What is this unit in modern units (pound and kilogram)? |
I have a paper article with estimates based mostly on 16th/17th/18th century handbooks for merchants, but its in my office at the university which I don't have access to until the pest has faded away. I am used to unit conversions being easy (find 20 stones saying "1 pound, weight of Darius the King" or "1 pound by the measure of the Athenians" and take the average in grams, check the dimensions of stone architecture and roof tiles against the stone with a line labeled "one foot") but medievalists don't seem to have written a handy reference just a few hard-to-find books.
John Hill also describes the type of cuirass he wants in terms of weight, Datini catalogued mail by type of garment and weight in pounds.
www.bookandsword.com
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Sean Manning
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Posted: Sat 29 May, 2021 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Over on the tube of you, Tod and Matt Easton were wondering about crossbow spanning mechanisms on foot and on horseback. Both Catholic and Islamic soldiers sometimes spanned crossbows on horseback by using a belt and stirrup!
I have a page on crossbows on one of my sites which talks about four methods I can document up to the year 1410.
Crossbow spanning mechanisms before the mid 15th century are definitely a topic where more research is needed!
Edit 2021-05-31: I added one researcher's view on the weight of the pound in the armourers' rule from Angers here. The researcher thinks these are Paris pounds of about 490 grams.
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Sean Manning
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Sean Manning
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