[Roberto E.]

[Craig Peters]

If you want a great helm, at least get it styled like the ones in the Jungfrauenspiegel, which I posted earlier, because it's fairly close to your time : http://38.media.tumblr.com/c4a164e545ed4984a2..._1280.jpg. But, if you really want a Third Crusade look, go with the nasal helmet; I don't think early great helms are appropriate at this time.

Royal Oak Armoury is excellent for helmets: http://www.royaloakarmoury.com

[Eric Allen]

[Mart Shearer]

Here's a good tutorial on historic construction of the shield based on extant examples from Gregory J. Liebau, who also posts here on myArmoury.

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewto...p;t=167321


To echo Craig, there really aren't too many great helms around for the Third Crusade. One of the earliest depiction is from the final seal of Richard I, so if you are portraying a king..... Otherwise you're better off on the accuracy scale with a conical or domed skull with or without nasal. Some of these helmets also have early face-plates, but no plate over the back of the head below the brow.

The search page at Manuscript Miniatures allows you to narrow your search by year and country, so you might want to look at results from 1175-1200 for inspiration.
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/search/

[Craig Peters]

If I recall correctly Mart, the final seal belonging to Richard the Lionheart dates from 1199 AD. That makes it nearly a decade too late for the Third Crusade. Given that armour styles can and do change over the course of a decade, I would be hesitant to use it as a source for the crusade.

[Roberto E.]

Okay, so this is what i got so far,
I guess the best way to start would be from the head down.

For the Helm I am going with the nasal helm of the time. Made by Royal oak armory.
http://www.royaloakarmoury.com/portfolio/conical-helmet/

As for the mail,
I am in the search for a craftsmen that will be able to make
a hauberk with integrated coif and mittens, made out of 4-1 design Alternating between riveted and solid rings.
With the riveted rings being riveted properly.
And hopefully leggings with same specifications.
So far im too intimidated to do it myself. So craftsmen will most likely be my choice.

As for the aketon/gameson I am still a bit clueless.
It seems and it has been mentioned that it would be a leather aketon that would not go beyond waist.

The sword of choice will be the Albion 13th century knightly sword,
And maybe later the Albion Templar.
http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion/ne...lar-xa.htm

The shield will be a kite shield with the traditional red cross on it.
Provided by toms stuff.
where i also hope to get my swords scabbard from.

As for the shoes beneath the mail,
It seems that medieval leather shoes will do the trick, however it is not of urgency.

As for the tunic and cape, the only ones ive been able to find
are from kult of athena which by now, im almost 90 percent sure are not accurate. haha

How is this looking?
am i on the right track?
Anything else that i need to know.?
What else should i add?

Ive learned so much so far and its awesome which i want to thank you guys for.

This will not be all bought at once. its going to be a slow but sure progress to have my dream historically accurate templar knight!

[Roberto E.]

[Mart Shearer]

[Craig Peters]

There's an easily overlooked detail that should be present in your kit for the sake of accuracy and completeness: spurs. Like everything else we've mentioned, spurs changed in appearance over time. You want simple prick spurs, and not rowel spurs. The latter, consisting of a wheel shape with multiple spikes portruding, is more appropriate to the 14th century. Have a look at the image from the Allen collection: http://www.allenantiques.com/Spurs-Collection.html. Notice that even prick spurs changed in appearance from the 11th through 13th century, so make sure you order spurs appropriate for the 12th.

You might also want to consider a lance. As far as I know, in the 12th century, there was not a clear distinction in design between a lance head and a spear head.

[Roberto E.]

[Roberto E.]

[quote="Mart Shearer"]

[Roberto E.]

and to further address this confusion, which is in big part my fault (me being fairly new to all of this)

Let's make this build practical and narrow it down to the third crusade Templar who would have fought in king Richards army.

I think with this it'll be more specific as to were aiming for.

[Craig Peters]

Have you tried asking Robert MacPherson, who is a member of myArmoury and who posted the images on page 11 of the "Authentic Mail Pictures" thread? He might be willing to do it. Alternatively, the myArmoury links section, near the top left of the page, lists a reasonable number of armourers.

[Craig Peters]

[Craig Peters]

If you can find an image of a 12th century spear/lance head, you could have someone custom make it. Arms & Armor could do it. Or you might try Tod.

[Leo Rousseau]

[Luka Borscak]

Here is another version for the shield:

[Foong Chen Hong]

[Craig Peters]

Yes, the Norsemen spear is a pretty good generic spear that could serve for many centuries. However, I do notice that the spear heads tend to be a bit wider in the 13th and 15th century images that A&A has posted. For the 12th century, I think the Norseman spear would be fine.

I own the A&A12th century spear myself. While it is a fine spear, the original spear head was actually said to have been from the 14th century, so it may not be appropriate for the 12th century,

[Craig Peters]

It appears we have at least two images from the late 12th to early 13th century of shields with small crosses, rather than larger ones, and I suspect there may be other images that I have forgotten or have not seen as well. A smaller cross seems to be more appropriate.