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Patryk Nieczarowski
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 Posted: Fri 03 Dec, 2010 2:58 pm Post subject: Newest masked helmet by me :^) |
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Hello :)
here's newest kipchak "lichina" to my collection ...this one is quite in similar style as first masked helmet made by me (8 years ago )
the helmet and the mask are welded ...however for the customer's wish I made hammered finishing of surface ...so, it's little bit differend than my others masked helmets (exept my first one :) )
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Michal Plezia
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Nice work. As usual. :)
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The sword is a weapon for killing, the art of the sword is the art of killing. No matter what fancy words you use or what titles you put to
it that is the only truth.
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Patryk Nieczarowski
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Sam Gordon Campbell
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I've always like the 'hammer finished' or 'antiqued' finish.
Nice work, I might have to get something from you when money allows :lol:
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Host of Crash Course HEMA.
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Philip Montgomery
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| Posted: Fri 10 Dec, 2010 7:01 am Post subject: Re: Newest masked helmet by me :^) |
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| Patryk Nieczarowski wrote: | Hello :)
here's newest kipchak "lichina" to my collection ...this one is quite in similar style as first masked helmet made by me (8 years ago )
the helmet and the mask are welded ...however for the customer's wish I made hammered finishing of surface ...so, it's little bit differend than my others masked helmets (exept my first one :) ) |
The helmet is beautiful. I know nothing about this style of helmet. Is it based on an historical model? Were these helmets strictly for display? I admire your workmanship.
Philip Montgomery
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"A broken sword blade fwipping through the air like a scythe through rye does demand attention."
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Viktor Ivanov
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Nice work, really!
Quite well known type of helmet for ancient Rus and neighboring steppe.
The faceplate is now considered to be a battle attribute not a ritual one or for showing off. Also, it seems only a wealthy warrior could afford this kind of helmet.
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Philip Montgomery
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| Posted: Fri 10 Dec, 2010 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Viktor Ivanov wrote: | Nice work, really!
Quite well known type of helmet for ancient Rus and neighboring steppe.
The faceplate is now considered to be a battle attribute not a ritual one or for showing off. Also, it seems only a wealthy warrior could afford this kind of helmet. |
Thanks Viktor. I look forward to learning more about these helmets.
Philip Montgomery
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"A broken sword blade fwipping through the air like a scythe through rye does demand attention."
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Piotr H. Feret
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A good example of fine workmanship.
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Patryk Nieczarowski
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Viktor Ivanov
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| Posted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Newest masked helmet by me :^) |
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| Ruel A. Macaraeg wrote: | | Patryk Nieczarowski wrote: | | here's newest kipchak "lichina" to my collection ... |
Hello Patryk,
Is 'lichina' the Polish term for these masked Kipchak helmets? Or is the term Kipchak/Tatar, or Russian-Ukrainian?
I have one of these helmets also (not as nice as yours), but have never learned the proper name for for it. Even the Russian books are unclear.
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As Patryk said above - literal meaning of the Russian word "lichina" - is "mask". Actually, this word now is old fashioned and is used only in some fixed phrases. "Lichina" itself derives from word "litso" - which means "face".
Usually to describe this type helmets we say just "a helemt with lichina".
To continue and to be correct - these helmets are considered tо have appeared in Kipchak\Tatar lands later than in Rus, they are considered to have appeared there from Rus, actually.
The whole chain of their origin and spreading according to the article Patrick mentioned above looks like this:
Ancient Rome - Byzanthia- Rus - Volga Bulgars - Chernye Klobucki (Black Hoods) - Kipchaks - Golden Horde and neighbors.
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Ruel A. Macaraeg
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Friends,
Thank you very much for sharing this information. Patryck, I am grateful for the article; although my Russian is not very good I will make good use of it (I have colleagues who can help with the translation). And again, my compliments on your fine work. Viktor, I am grateful also for your clarification. Knowing the history of these masked helmets as they spread across cultures helps me to appreciate them much better.
Allow me to share with you another masked helmet I recently acquired. This is possibly a 16thc. Crimean or Safavid helmet, based on comparison with an example in Arts of the Muslim Knight 2008 p336-7. In fact, the mask of that example, also on the front cover of the book, looks very similar in all details to mine. You'll notice that the lower half of the face is veiled instead of having the moustache and mouth as on the earlier Kipchak examples.
http://ForensicFashion.com/CostumeStudies.html
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Jean Thibodeau
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Patryk impressive work and these helms with masks always have a very special " presence " and haunting quality: Great armour but also great art as sculpture. :D :cool:
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Patryk Nieczarowski
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W. Schütz
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Great work. You really do the originals justice.
Gentes scitote,
vicine sive remote,
quod claret Suecia
plebeque militia.
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Henrik Zoltan Toth
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I found some descriptions about the Codex Cumanicus, writen somewhere between the 13-14. Cent. in the Krim. It contains a kuman latin italian persian dictionary. They called the simple helmet "tobulga" or "tovulga", but surely they knew the word Shishak or sisak, like it was called in ottoman turcic and hungarian.
Zoltán
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