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Patryk Nieczarowski
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Dec, 2010 2:58 pm    Post subject: Newest masked helmet by me :^)         Reply with quote

Hello Happy

here's newest kipchak "lichina" to my collection ...this one is quite in similar style as first masked helmet made by me (8 years ago )

the helmet and the mask are welded ...however for the customer's wish I made hammered finishing of surface ...so, it's little bit differend than my others masked helmets (exept my first one Happy )



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PostPosted: Sat 04 Dec, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nice work. As usual. Happy
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Thank You Happy
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PostPosted: Thu 09 Dec, 2010 4:46 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I've always like the 'hammer finished' or 'antiqued' finish.
Nice work, I might have to get something from you when money allows Laughing Out Loud

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Dec, 2010 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: Newest masked helmet by me :^)         Reply with quote

Patryk Nieczarowski wrote:
Hello Happy

here's newest kipchak "lichina" to my collection ...this one is quite in similar style as first masked helmet made by me (8 years ago )

the helmet and the mask are welded ...however for the customer's wish I made hammered finishing of surface ...so, it's little bit differend than my others masked helmets (exept my first one Happy )


The helmet is beautiful. I know nothing about this style of helmet. Is it based on an historical model? Were these helmets strictly for display? I admire your workmanship.

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Dec, 2010 7:28 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Nice work, really!

Quite well known type of helmet for ancient Rus and neighboring steppe.

The faceplate is now considered to be a battle attribute not a ritual one or for showing off. Also, it seems only a wealthy warrior could afford this kind of helmet.




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PostPosted: Fri 10 Dec, 2010 8:19 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Viktor Ivanov wrote:
Nice work, really!

Quite well known type of helmet for ancient Rus and neighboring steppe.

The faceplate is now considered to be a battle attribute not a ritual one or for showing off. Also, it seems only a wealthy warrior could afford this kind of helmet.


Thanks Viktor. I look forward to learning more about these helmets.

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Dec, 2010 1:00 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A good example of fine workmanship.
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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Newest masked helmet by me :^)         Reply with quote

Patryk Nieczarowski wrote:
here's newest kipchak "lichina" to my collection ...

Hello Patryk,
Is 'lichina' the Polish term for these masked Kipchak helmets? Or is the term Kipchak/Tatar, or Russian-Ukrainian?
I have one of these helmets also (not as nice as yours), but have never learned the proper name for for it. Even the Russian books are unclear.

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 3:55 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

thanx for everyone for comments Happy

Ruel

"личина" is russian term and it means "face mask" ...and I know only one complete (almost ! ...because at this moment we know more masks ,even with helmet ) article about it :

http://tgorod.ru/index.php?topgroupid=2&g...tentid=224

...I'm afraid in Russian only Sad

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 5:22 am    Post subject: Re: Newest masked helmet by me :^)         Reply with quote

Ruel A. Macaraeg wrote:
Patryk Nieczarowski wrote:
here's newest kipchak "lichina" to my collection ...

Hello Patryk,
Is 'lichina' the Polish term for these masked Kipchak helmets? Or is the term Kipchak/Tatar, or Russian-Ukrainian?
I have one of these helmets also (not as nice as yours), but have never learned the proper name for for it. Even the Russian books are unclear.


As Patryk said above - literal meaning of the Russian word "lichina" - is "mask". Actually, this word now is old fashioned and is used only in some fixed phrases. "Lichina" itself derives from word "litso" - which means "face".
Usually to describe this type helmets we say just "a helemt with lichina".

To continue and to be correct - these helmets are considered tо have appeared in Kipchak\Tatar lands later than in Rus, they are considered to have appeared there from Rus, actually.
The whole chain of their origin and spreading according to the article Patrick mentioned above looks like this:

Ancient Rome - Byzanthia- Rus - Volga Bulgars - Chernye Klobucki (Black Hoods) - Kipchaks - Golden Horde and neighbors.

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 7:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Friends,

Thank you very much for sharing this information. Patryck, I am grateful for the article; although my Russian is not very good I will make good use of it (I have colleagues who can help with the translation). And again, my compliments on your fine work. Viktor, I am grateful also for your clarification. Knowing the history of these masked helmets as they spread across cultures helps me to appreciate them much better.

Allow me to share with you another masked helmet I recently acquired. This is possibly a 16thc. Crimean or Safavid helmet, based on comparison with an example in Arts of the Muslim Knight 2008 p336-7. In fact, the mask of that example, also on the front cover of the book, looks very similar in all details to mine. You'll notice that the lower half of the face is veiled instead of having the moustache and mouth as on the earlier Kipchak examples.

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Dec, 2010 9:49 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patryk impressive work and these helms with masks always have a very special " presence " and haunting quality: Great armour but also great art as sculpture. Big Grin Cool
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PostPosted: Tue 21 Dec, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

thank You very much Happy

for me each masked helmet is more like a sculpture than just the helmet ...but i'm afraid for most people this kind of stuff is some strange helmet only...nothing more Sad

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Dec, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Great work. You really do the originals justice.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Dec, 2010 6:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I found some descriptions about the Codex Cumanicus, writen somewhere between the 13-14. Cent. in the Krim. It contains a kuman latin italian persian dictionary. They called the simple helmet "tobulga" or "tovulga", but surely they knew the word Shishak or sisak, like it was called in ottoman turcic and hungarian.

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