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PostPosted: Thu 18 Aug, 2005 11:54 pm    Post subject: What would you call this?         Reply with quote

I just wonder if it is a name to put to a weapon like this?

I have plans of letting somebody make one for me but what should I call the darn thing??

The picture is from the solothuner manual of late 1500c...[/img]



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Patrik Erik Lars Lindblom




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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug, 2005 2:35 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Cool I am a beginner so here it comes: Eek!

Needlesword/ Nlsvrd
Nailsword/ Spiksvrd
Mordern Shortspear/ Mordernt Kortspjut
Wrestling Sword/ Brottar svrd

Razz You don't need to thank me Martin Big Grin Laughing Out Loud

They really have a hard fighting look, don't they.

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug, 2005 6:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Toothpick of Death has a nice ring to it.

I remember seeing these on the Discovery Channel but I for get what they were called.

....and thus is posted another useless comment fueled by caffine.

Sj, ar s ek fur minn.
Sj, ar s ek mur mina ok systur mina ok brur minn.
Sj, ar s ek allan minn frndgar.
Sj, kalla eim tl min.
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug, 2005 6:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wicked! Happy

Please post pictures!

You realize, that as this looks like a tournament piece, that you have to have to two made... Not to have two would be like having one dueling pistol. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug, 2005 8:10 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A halfswordsword?
"this [fight] looks curious, almost like a game. See, they are looking around them before they fall, to find a dry spot to fall on, or they are falling on their shields. Can you see blood on their cloths and weapons? No. This must be trickery."
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug, 2005 8:37 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

How about these?

Grosse Scheibendolch

Scheibenspiess

Scheibenschwert

If I've correctly interpreted and assembled the German, these mean "Big Rondel Dagger", "Rondel Spear" and "Rondel Sword" and describe this weapon pretty well. I want to make clear that these words are my own invention. I have no idea what this weapon might have actually been called.

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug, 2005 9:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I would call it Mr. Stabby, but I'm sure there is a much more historical name for it out there. Could be some kind of estoc I suppose.
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Aug, 2005 10:50 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

J. Padgett wrote:
I would call it Mr. Stabby, but I'm sure there is a much more historical name for it out there.


Herr Stabi

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 3:14 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have look close on them and they look like they are single edged these.......
Thallhofer two hands knife's

Idea or just to stay around stersund: Biglake monster slaughter knife's Big Grin

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 5:26 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The Scots had a very similar weapon called a Jedburgh Staff. Some of theirs had a knucklebow attached to the disc guard.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 5:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Could they possibly be broken glaives (or other similar polearms)?
The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing;
Rush in and die, dogs -- I was a man before I was a king.
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: What would you call this?         Reply with quote

See, this is the problem with th modern mind trying to interpret historical flora and fuana, the constant need to classify and name things. Likely back then they just told their squires to go get the "big stabby things" for the next part of the duel/challenge and left it at that.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

These remind me of the "Uklwas" of the Zulu culture.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 2:34 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: What would you call this?         Reply with quote

Martin Wallgren wrote:
I just wonder if it is a name to put to a weapon like this?

I have plans of letting somebody make one for me but what should I call the darn thing??

The picture is from the solothuner manual of late 1500c...[/img]


Martin,

Do you have more of the original illustration?

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 4:21 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes indeedy more of the pic might help. Are they fighting to the death or playing at wasters? Whats the context? They look cool as heck regardless, but for no valid reason I think they're wasters.
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 4:39 pm    Post subject: Panzerstecher or Dreiecker (heavy estocs)         Reply with quote

From ARMA's site :

The Solothurner Fechtbuch, c. 1423
http://www.thehaca.com/Manuals/Solothurner.htm
"The book also shows specialty weapons such as the Panzerstecher or Dreiecker (heavy estocs) with round guards and long padded ricasso grips."



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PostPosted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

except they don't look like any NORMAL estocs we've ever seen, and as for Panzerstecher...

Hmm... Panzerstecher. lit: "armour piercer"

GIS reveals something interesting. From www.armabohemia.cz , an exact reproduction of a museum piece...







Looks like they could definately be in the same family. Panzerstechers they be! Big Grin
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PostPosted: Sun 21 Aug, 2005 1:46 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

David R. Glier wrote:
Looks like they could definately be in the same family. Panzerstechers they be! Big Grin

Well, they do look quite the armour piercers to me, so why not... Happy[/i]

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Aug, 2005 6:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I was gonna say they were broken glaives or perhaps the shortest-but-meanest looking lances I've ever seen. Wink
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