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Martin Wallgren
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I just wonder if it is a name to put to a weapon like this?
I have plans of letting somebody make one for me but what should I call the darn thing??
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Patrik Erik Lars Lindblom
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 I am a beginner so here it comes: 
Needlesword/ Nålsvärd
Nailsword/ Spiksvärd
Mordern Shortspear/ Mordernt Kortspjut
Wrestling Sword/ Brottar svärd
 You don't need to thank me Martin  
They really have a hard fighting look, don't they.
Frid o Fröjd!
Patrik
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Joe Yurgil
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Toothpick of Death has a nice ring to it.
I remember seeing these on the Discovery Channel but I for get what they were called.
....and thus is posted another useless comment fueled by caffine.
Sjá, þar sé ek föður minn.
Sjá, þar sé ek móður mina ok systur mina ok bróður minn.
Sjá, þar sé ek allan minn frændgarð.
Sjá, kalla þeim tíl min.
Biðja mér at taka minn stað hjá þeim í sölum Valhallar, þar drengiligr menn munu lifa allan aldr.
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Jeff Johnson
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Wicked! 
Please post pictures!
You realize, that as this looks like a tournament piece, that you have to have to two made... Not to have two would be like having one dueling pistol. 
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Elling Polden
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A halfswordsword?
"this [fight] looks curious, almost like a game. See, they are looking around them before they fall, to find a dry spot to fall on, or they are falling on their shields. Can you see blood on their cloths and weapons? No. This must be trickery."
-Reidar Sendeman, from King Sverre's Saga, 1201
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Sean Flynt
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J. Padgett
Location: In a comfy chair Joined: 17 Nov 2003
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I would call it Mr. Stabby, but I'm sure there is a much more historical name for it out there. Could be some kind of estoc I suppose.
"The truth shall make ye fret."
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Sean Flynt
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Patrik Erik Lars Lindblom
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I have look close on them and they look like they are single edged these.......
Thallhofer two hands knife's
 or just to stay around Östersund: Biglake monster slaughter knife's
Frid o Fröjd!
Patrik
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E.B. Erickson
Industry Professional
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The Scots had a very similar weapon called a Jedburgh Staff. Some of theirs had a knucklebow attached to the disc guard.
--ElJay
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Mikko Kuusirati
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Could they possibly be broken glaives (or other similar polearms)?
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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James Nordstrom
Location: Sacramento, CA Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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See, this is the problem with th modern mind trying to interpret historical flora and fuana, the constant need to classify and name things. Likely back then they just told their squires to go get the "big stabby things" for the next part of the duel/challenge and left it at that.
Cheers
Jim
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Brian M
Location: Austin, TX Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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These remind me of the "Uklwas" of the Zulu culture.
Brian M
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Joe Fults
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Can opener
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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Joe Fults
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| Posted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: What would you call this? |
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| Martin Wallgren wrote: | I just wonder if it is a name to put to a weapon like this?
I have plans of letting somebody make one for me but what should I call the darn thing??
The picture is from the solothuner manual of late 1500c...[/img] |
Martin,
Do you have more of the original illustration?
"The goal shouldn’t be to avoid being evil; it should be to actively do good." - Danah Boyd
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Gavin Kisebach
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Yes indeedy more of the pic might help. Are they fighting to the death or playing at wasters? Whats the context? They look cool as heck regardless, but for no valid reason I think they're wasters.
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Thomas McDonald
myArmoury Alumni
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| Posted: Sat 20 Aug, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: Panzerstecher or Dreiecker (heavy estocs) |
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From ARMA's site :
The Solothurner Fechtbuch, c. 1423
http://www.thehaca.com/Manuals/Solothurner.htm
"The book also shows specialty weapons such as the Panzerstecher or Dreiecker (heavy estocs) with round guards and long padded ricasso grips."
Mac
'Gott Bewahr Die Oprechte Schotten'
XX ANDRIA XX FARARA XX
Mac's PictureTrail
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David R. Glier
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except they don't look like any NORMAL estocs we've ever seen, and as for Panzerstecher...
Hmm... Panzerstecher. lit: "armour piercer"
GIS reveals something interesting. From www.armabohemia.cz , an exact reproduction of a museum piece...
Looks like they could definately be in the same family. Panzerstechers they be!
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Mikko Kuusirati
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| David R. Glier wrote: | | Looks like they could definately be in the same family. Panzerstechers they be! |
Well, they do look quite the armour piercers to me, so why not... [/i]
"And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
— Terry Pratchett, Carpe Jugulum
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Edward Hitchens
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I was gonna say they were broken glaives or perhaps the shortest-but-meanest looking lances I've ever seen.
-Ted
"The whole art of government consists in the art of being honest." Thomas Jefferson
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