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Len Parker





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PostPosted: Sun 11 Aug, 2019 9:07 am    Post subject: Dragoon's Leather Armour         Reply with quote

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/superb-revolutionary-war-era-dragoons-1801405922
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Matthew Amt




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PostPosted: Mon 12 Aug, 2019 6:48 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Alarm bells going off. The design and tooled lines are very obviously to make it resemble a Roman lorica segmentata. Which of course was always described by early modern historians as "leather".

Every detail from Trajan's Column and other later Roman artwork is there: The horizontal lines to delineate the bands; the rounded ends of the bands; the "button" fasteners; the graduated, rounded ends of the "bands" on the shoulder flaps; the row of rounded flaps at the waist.

Either the maker/owner of this "armor" was SERIOUSLY into his neo-Classicism, or it's a costume piece. Or a deliberate attempt at fake "Roman armor".

IF there is documentation for soldiers the 18th century actually wearing such things (call me skeptical), then okay, *maybe*, but otherwise...

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Len Parker





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PostPosted: Mon 12 Aug, 2019 4:19 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I thought there was a chance it was spanish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldado_de_cuera
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dragon_de_cuera_.jpg
https://mhiggins.com/items/18th-century-spanish-colonial-leather-armor-cuera/

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Dan Howard




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PostPosted: Mon 12 Aug, 2019 5:20 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Leather armour was a LOT thicker than the above example. You can stick a pencil through that.
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Matthew Amt




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PostPosted: Mon 12 Aug, 2019 5:22 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Len Parker wrote:
I thought there was a chance it was spanish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldado_de_cuera
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dragon_de_cuera_.jpg
https://mhiggins.com/items/18th-century-spanish-colonial-leather-armor-cuera/


HUH! Fascinating, but not like that Romanesque one. More like buff coats. At lest they follow a normal coat or waistcoat pattern.

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Philip Renne




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PostPosted: Thu 15 Aug, 2019 7:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

In support of the hypothesis that this represents the remains of a theatrical costume, I've seen similarly weird "buttoned" segmentata in paintings from the early 19th century depicting Roman soldiers-perhaps the models that posed for those pictures wore similar outfits to this.
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Graham Shearlaw





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PostPosted: Tue 27 Aug, 2019 2:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That's not thick enough to protect against more then the wind and rain or sparks from musket fireing.
An yes it look likes a costume piece of Roman armour.
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