Saber similar to katana -- myArmoury.com

Jakub Oupic · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 3:25 am Post subject: Saber similar to katana

Hi, I am a new member here and I have one question. Before three months I find on net few photos of oriental sabre (I don't know it was from Persia or Iran) scanned from any book. The sabre was very similar to katana. Can you say me what is the name of this arm? Thank you very much.

Tomas Mihalyi · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 4:29 am Post subject: Re: Saber similar to katana

Jakub Oupic · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 4:46 am Post subject:

I haven't any photos of this weapon. I don't remember where I found these images. I think that this weapon is from second half of 19th century. Photos was scanned from any book, but I don't remember more.

William Goodwin · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 4:59 am Post subject:

could you be referring to Hanwei's Dark Sentinal?

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Jakub Oupic · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 5:07 am Post subject:

It is a similar, but this is not this weapon. Hilt was shorter and blade wasn't so curved. And it wasn't fantasy weapon. Photos were BW and man which bear this weapon have also little shield as a buckler.

Walter S · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 5:56 am Post subject:

I suppose this is kinda random, but what about a tulwar?

Sam Barris · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 6:15 am Post subject:

A Swiss Saber, perhaps?

Jakub Oupic · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 6:33 am Post subject:

It was not tulwar. I know basic types of sabers, but I haven't seen this weapon before. I remember that this weapon is from Iran or Persia. I think the photos were on any forum about swords, but I'm not sure.

Peter Johnsson · Industry Professional

Perhaps it is an Alan sword? A horse people invading western europe ( in 4th or 5th c AD?)
I think this sword is from 5th C, but I have mislaid my notes on this one for the moment. There are also single hand sabers of the Alans that are almost straight and do look rather like katanas in outline of the blade. These are a bit later. At around 7th or 8th C I think.
I´ll post when I find those mages.

Gottfried P. Doerler · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 3:14 pm Post subject:

i heard once, the japanese were on a westernisation-trip in the late 19th century
and in this context sometimes fittet saber-hilts to katana blades (i don`t know if this is true),
and returened to the real katana in the 1930s with growing nationalism.

maybe this picture really depicts such a "saber-katana" ??

Boris R. · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject:

a saber-katana? so basically a sabatana Idea

J Anstey · Posted: Wed 19 May, 2010 9:43 pm Post subject:

Lucas Simms · Posted: Thu 20 May, 2010 7:50 am Post subject:

Gottfried P. Doerler · Posted: Thu 20 May, 2010 7:54 am Post subject:

yes, thats quite interesting. maybe jakub meant one of these.

J Anstey · Posted: Thu 20 May, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject:

some officers kyu gunto were very nice although I have always found the concept to be quite bizarre.

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Jakub Oupic · Posted: Thu 20 May, 2010 10:35 pm Post subject:

Thank you very much. I saw another weapon, but the type was the same. I'm your payer.

Paul Hansen · Posted: Sun 30 May, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject:

Dan Dickinson · Industry Professional

Are you perhaps talking about a saber such as number 794? It's description is:

"Sabre from Szekes-Fejervar, Hungary, 10th-11th centuries (National Museum, Budapest, Hungary)
This beautiful sabre has a non-tapering blade with an angled tip. In many respects it recalls some fine, and very much later, Japanese swords. The origins of both groups of weapons almost certainly lay in Central Asia. The bulbous quillons are of an unusual and probably early form."

I hope this helps,
Dan

(image taken from David Nicolle's, Arms & Armour of the Crusading Era 1050-1350: Western Europe and the Crusader States)