help: problems with a helmet -- myArmoury.com

Alberto P. · Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: help: problems with a helmet

Hello,
I urgently need to have information on the helmet of the photo, Question

precise dating, collection or museum where it is and if there are other photos of this model. help!
I also need to know what good was the ring that is located on the front of the helmet.
thanks

Paul Finn · Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 8:56 am Post subject:

I my self would like to know more about this helmet. I have posted your pic if you don't mine for user to view on. hopefully this would help them identify more quickly ..

Alberto P. · Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 9:02 am Post subject:

Thank you

, we hope to soon get new information

Allan Senefelder · Industry Professional

This is an early form of burgeonette, sometimes I believe refered to as a sturmheub. I believe this one dates to around 1500-1510. I would assume that the piece on the front was perhaps for some sort of face plate. I may be wrong but I believe at the time this picture was taken ( c. 1900- 1920 ) it was in the German National Museum. The pic is from before the war so where it is now I don't know.

Daniel Sullivan · Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 10:20 am Post subject: Helmet

Alberto,

This probably won't help much, but just to add to the info from Allan.....

There is a fluted Austrian armet (1510-20) in the Victoria and Albert Museum that has a very similar staple. In this case it is mounted on the overlapping right cheek piece. A photo caption of 1960s states, "The staple pierced with an eye........is a peculiar feature; its function is uncertain." I have always thought it was for some sort of reinforcing plate for the chin joint.

Thanks for posting the photos. Have only seen a few similar helmets, but only in woodcuts, etc.

Regards,
Dan

Sean Flynt · Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 11:58 am Post subject:

As Allan said. It was an extremely common light infantry helmet, judging from Austrian art of the period. I've always assumed that the staple is for a narrow pivoting nasal, and I vaguely recall seeing that in a Dürer woodcut. A variant of this helmet is made of small overlapping scales, presumably stitched to a padded fabric cap. Here is a TINY sampling of Austrian images to chew on--there are hundreds at IMAREAL:

Sean Flynt · Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject:

A few more:

Kevin P Molloy · Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject:

Sean Flynt · Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 1:48 pm Post subject:

This is typical, ca. 1517. Discussion here: http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=11664

Alberto P. · Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject:

Sean

is a very interesting one of your images, the first of your second post. Can you tell me the author and where is it? and maybe you have one a little bigger?

Sean Flynt · Posted: Wed 16 Dec, 2009 6:45 am Post subject:

Kunstwerk: Malerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar-Werktagsseite
Dokumentation: 1518 ; 1518 ; Sebes ; Rumänien ; Siebenbürgen ; Evang. Kirche
Anmerkungen: 145x110

Alberto P. · Posted: Wed 16 Dec, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject:

thanks sean! Happy

Since I'm going to make me a replica of the helmet of the picture, if you have any further information, images and photos let me know ...

Sean Flynt · Posted: Thu 17 Dec, 2009 8:52 am Post subject:

I'll pass along anything else I find. By the way, it might be possible to modify a cheap "celtic" helmet like the old Windlass "Celtic Boar Helmet". There are more current versions around. Those are simple steel bowls of this size, with decent liners. A bit of hammer work at front and rear, cutouts on the sides and creation of the laminated cheek guards....

Romulus Stoica · Posted: Thu 17 Dec, 2009 10:15 am Post subject:

I am from Romania, Hunedoara, about 68 km from Sebes ... and also I am a member of a medieval reenactment group in Hunedoara. I never saw that painting but It looks interesting. I will try to find out more.