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Alberto P.
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Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: help: problems with a helmet |
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Hello,
I urgently need to have information on the helmet of the photo, precise dating, collection or museum where it is and if there are other photos of this model. help!
I also need to know what good was the ring that is located on the front of the helmet.
thanks
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Paul Finn
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Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: |
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I my self would like to know more about this helmet. I have posted your pic if you don't mine for user to view on. hopefully this would help them identify more quickly ..
Paul Finn
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Alberto P.
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Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Thank you , we hope to soon get new information
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Allan Senefelder
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Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 9:26 am Post subject: |
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This is an early form of burgeonette, sometimes I believe refered to as a sturmheub. I believe this one dates to around 1500-1510. I would assume that the piece on the front was perhaps for some sort of face plate. I may be wrong but I believe at the time this picture was taken ( c. 1900- 1920 ) it was in the German National Museum. The pic is from before the war so where it is now I don't know.
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Daniel Sullivan
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Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 10:20 am Post subject: Helmet |
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Alberto,
This probably won't help much, but just to add to the info from Allan.....
There is a fluted Austrian armet (1510-20) in the Victoria and Albert Museum that has a very similar staple. In this case it is mounted on the overlapping right cheek piece. A photo caption of 1960s states, "The staple pierced with an eye........is a peculiar feature; its function is uncertain." I have always thought it was for some sort of reinforcing plate for the chin joint.
Thanks for posting the photos. Have only seen a few similar helmets, but only in woodcuts, etc.
Regards,
Dan
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Sean Flynt
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Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: |
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As Allan said. It was an extremely common light infantry helmet, judging from Austrian art of the period. I've always assumed that the staple is for a narrow pivoting nasal, and I vaguely recall seeing that in a Dürer woodcut. A variant of this helmet is made of small overlapping scales, presumably stitched to a padded fabric cap. Here is a TINY sampling of Austrian images to chew on--there are hundreds at IMAREAL:
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-Sean
Author of the Little Hammer novel
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Kevin P Molloy
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Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Sean Flynt wrote: | A variant of this helmet is made of small overlapping scales, presumably stitched to a padded fabric cap. : |
Can you post any pictures of these helmets?
Kevin Patrick Molloy
"The Prince of Firceall of the Ancient Sword is O'Molloy of the Freeborn Name"... O'Dugain(d.1372AD)
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Alberto P.
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Posted: Tue 15 Dec, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Sean
is a very interesting one of your images, the first of your second post. Can you tell me the author and where is it? and maybe you have one a little bigger?
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Alberto P.
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Posted: Wed 16 Dec, 2009 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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thanks sean!
Since I'm going to make me a replica of the helmet of the picture, if you have any further information, images and photos let me know ...
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Romulus Stoica
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I am from Romania, Hunedoara, about 68 km from Sebes ... and also I am a member of a medieval reenactment group in Hunedoara. I never saw that painting but It looks interesting. I will try to find out more.
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