scale pauldrons -- myArmoury.com

Jonathon G · Posted: Sun 13 May, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject: scale pauldrons

i want to make a set of scaled pauldrons. i have access to everything for the production of them but lack a good pattern. since they must support their own weight i need a pattern that will keep enough tension to keep them straight. i have found a few patterns for plate pauldrons but i can't see a way to adapt them for scales.

the scales i want to use are about 1/2" wide and 3/4" long and diamond shaped

Steven H · Posted: Sun 13 May, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject:

From the nature of the question you asked I suspect that you are confusing scale and lamellar construction. Scale is sewn to a backing and shouldn't need, "enough tension to keep them straight", since each scale is individually sewn on and the backing keeps everything together and organized properly. If you are indeed asking about scale then please elaborate as I do not understand the problem.

I am not aware of any historical example of scale pauldrons, only sleeves on coats. I do know that several eastern cultures used lamellar pauldrons (as opposed to sleeves) such as the Rus as show in the Osprey book, Medieval Russian Armies 1250-1500, and Japanese samurai armours. These examples are essentially curved boards that tie onto the harness. Rather simple.

Jonathon G · Posted: Wed 16 May, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject:

i will be using scales that are made to be "self-structural" in that they only connect to ech other with no need for backing.
here is a front view
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u231/chaos...-sizes.jpg

and here is a back view of how they connect
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u231/chaos...leback.jpg

they are made to be joined with split rings or jump rings.

basically all i need are a few good patterns to make my own from to get a good feel for how they fit

Steven H · Posted: Wed 16 May, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject:

hmmmm,

The Ringlords scales are not an historical design. They are the wrong shape and hole pattern. And again, scale pauldrons are not historical. That makes finding a pattern difficult. The Ringlord may be able to help better, than anyone here.

Is there a particular reason you're doing only pauldrons?
Wouldn't a backing make the item more comfortable anyways? (scales and rings on skin sounds bad)

John Cooksey · Posted: Thu 17 May, 2007 9:15 am Post subject:

Allan Senefelder · Industry Professional

It looks like a variation on the Roman Lorica Squamata and I don't know that you're going to be able to make more than a panel that hangs off the shoulder in a manner similar to lamellar. The example shown in Armour of Imperial Rome that has been reconstructed from pieces found near Lake Trasimene has a single large plate on each shoulder after the manner of one of the Wisby coats of plates rather than a shoulder defense constructed from scales as the rest of the garment is. There are sculptural represenations of squamata on page 158 that appear to show separate panels of scale over the shoulders ( although they do not go down the arm) but the panles in both representations are bordered which leads me to believ they're attached to some sort of at least semi rigid backing like leather to stiffen the scale "fabric".

Jonathon G · Posted: Thu 17 May, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject:

Lorica Plummata i think

i am only making pauldrons for now but might make more. I am making a Maille vest now and most likely won't add sleeves to it so i will need something to cover my shoulders and upper arms. i do realise that this isn't historically accurate but i can't for the life of my find anything.

also i will be wearing everything with some type of clothing or padding under it so comfort on skin is not really an issue.
i am also considering backing to scales with a dense euro 4 in 1 weave that will hold it's shape.

John Cooksey · Posted: Thu 17 May, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject:

Steven H · Posted: Fri 18 May, 2007 7:02 am Post subject:

Allan Senefelder · Industry Professional

M. Eversberg II · Posted: Sun 20 May, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject:

Scale paudrons on a maille shirt will look fairly "off", in my opinion. The other way around would look fine, however.

I'd go for the scale mantle, honestly. While TRL's scales are not historical, they are nice looking and they are steel, so should be somewhat protective.

Are you planning to do any fighting in what you're making?

M.

Jonathon G · Posted: Mon 21 May, 2007 6:13 am Post subject:

no i won't actually beusing them for combat, but would like to maintain the same physical characteristics as if I was. I might fust go with a different weave of mail instead of scales, but i have not decided yet(i am still making the shirt)

M. Eversberg II · Posted: Tue 22 May, 2007 2:56 am Post subject:

You could also get plate spaulders. Those are fairly easy to come by and can be as cheap as 80USD.

Here is a pair over at Merc's Tailor: http://www.merctailor.com/catalog/product_inf...86da8c489a

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M.

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