Jack patterens late 1450 - 1500 ca. -- myArmoury.com

Asger Kjærgaard

Hi

I have long searched for a pattern for a late 1400 jack but my search has been fruitless. I have found some patterens on the internet and some at historical markets but every time I ask about the authentisity i am stonewalled. so my question is do anyone know of a pattern which is based on a acutual find and if you do could you please guide me to it.

Chuck Russell · Posted: Sat 05 Aug, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject:

there are no jacks found

there are what appears could be jacks but no 100% information on if they are truely jacks or arming coats. some say yes to both some disagree etc. i dont have the links handy or pictures as to the 2-5 references that i'm talking about. sorry.

Valeriy Rog · Posted: Mon 07 Aug, 2006 2:16 am Post subject:

Try this link http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=7324&start=0
and this one http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=6500&highlight=
May be this will help a bit Happy

Valeriy Rog · Posted: Mon 07 Aug, 2006 4:58 am Post subject:

And here is one jack of 16th cent.

and newly made copies

and this one is based on one flemish illustration (made by st.George Comp.)

Asger Kjærgaard · Posted: Mon 07 Aug, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject:

they look very nice both the find and the replicas.
do you have the patteren for the one from the flemish illustration? or do you know where to get it?

Kim Jansson · Posted: Mon 07 Aug, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject:

This is the painting I think....
http://www.wga.hu/art/m/memling/4ursula/36ursu06.jpg

MEMLING, Hans
St Ursula Shrine: Martyrdom (scene 6)
1489
Oil on panel, 35 x 25,3 cm
Memlingmuseum, Sint-Janshospitaal, Bruges

For pattern and reconstruction try theese:

http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/dragon-5.pdf

http://www.companie-of-st-george.ch/dragon-3.pdf

I have a document with some paintings that show jacks (1,5 - 2 mb) Email if someone would like to have it.
Good luck wit jack-hunting its not an easy task....

W. R. Reynolds · Posted: Mon 07 Aug, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject:

Try this link and go to the patterns section. These people are easy to deal with and speak English although the majority of their site and the pattern instructions are in Swedish. I just got one of their jack patterns but have yet to build it.

http://www.handelsgillet.se/english.htm

Asger Kjærgaard · Posted: Mon 14 Aug, 2006 4:35 am Post subject:

Thank you all you have been very helpful Happy

Am I right to assume that jacks are dubletpatterens with padding and slightly altred sleeves?
I also found this patteren:
http://www.eskimo.com/~cwn/padded_jack.html
it looks a lot like the jack on the picture by Hans Memling that Kim Jansson spoke about.

I think I will make that my next projekt.

About the Jack patteren from handelsgildet... I bought the exact same patteren from a salesman on a medieval market in Denmark. I have 3 comments to after having made one myself and having fought in it for a year now. it its too short for my liking, the patteren did not fit in it self in the shoulder seam and watch out when you attatch the sleeve to the body - I can not fight one and a half hand in my jack because I did not put it on right

W. R. Reynolds · Posted: Mon 14 Aug, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject:

Asger,

Thanks for the heads up on the handelsgillet patten. I liked the look of the lines had planned on using it as only a starting point anyway.. One of our members in our group (circa 1470) made a jack based on the co. St. George patterns. Some of the things we learned were that the shoulder seam belongs on the shoulder. St. George recommends about four fingers from the base of the neck to the seam (they must have very fat fingers or narrow shoulders as we found this was not enough). You will need some kind of gusset under the arm and at the inside of the elbow with a lesser degree of padding to allow for freedom of movement. All patterns can be modified to suit the individual. Good luck.

Asger Kjærgaard · Posted: Thu 05 Apr, 2007 12:49 am Post subject:

hi

I've been working on my new jack on and off for a couple of months seems to workout fine. It seems to workout so good that one of my friends wants to make one like it. but he came up with some questions that I could not answer.

Here goes

Are there any historical references to stuffed jacks?

Are there any historical references to riveted jacks and in what pattern

Are there any historical references to jacks being quilted in "dots" or "points"

hope you will help me once again.

James Barker · Posted: Thu 05 Apr, 2007 7:37 am Post subject:

http://www.replications.com/greys/Standards/C.../Jacks.htm