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Steve Fabert
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 Posted: Fri 05 Mar, 2004 2:41 am Post subject: Del Tin Design Changes? |
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Fulvio Del Tin has changed the design of one of his company's classic swords. Because this change was not announced publicly in advance, prospective buyers may want to inquire about possible similar changes before ordering a new Del Tin. I don't know for a fact that any other changes are being made, but here's a description of the one I know about:
----- Original Message -----
From: STEVE FABERT
To: info@deltin.net
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: Changes to design of #2153?
I have just purchased a sword of type 2153 from Albion Armorers, which I believe just arrived in America a few days ago from your factory. The sword differs from your picture and description of this sword type. It has a fuller on the blade rather than a flattened triangular cross section, and the pommel is plain iron rather than silver plated. Has the design of this sword been changed? Or is the sword something that was mistakenly assembled from incorrect parts?
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From: FULVIO DEL TIN
To: STEVE FABERT
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: Changes to design of #2153?
Dear Sir,
1. The dimension and design of the sword 2153 has not changed.
There was an improvement in the material of its pommel and guard.
It was silver plated BRASS and now it is STEEL.
The ricasso is now with a small fuller in place of the flattened part, this provide to the strong more thickness
I hope you like the sword with this little changes.
I will change the picture of this sword in my website as soon as possible
Sincerly
Fulvio
Del Tin Armi Antiche
http://www.deltin.net
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Carl Croushore
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| Posted: Fri 05 Mar, 2004 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Ouch, Steve...Did you really say Albion Armorers instead of Del Tin in your message to Fulvio?
And thanks for the heads-up. Hoepfully the Del Tin ebmasters will upgrade their site with new pics very soon.
-- Carl Croushore
-- Carl Croushore
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Geoff Wood
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| Carl Croushore wrote: | Ouch, Steve...Did you really say Albion Armorers instead of Del Tin in your message to Fulvio?
-- Carl Croushore |
Albion are major Del Tin dealers (and rehilt some).
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Björn Hellqvist
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Bill Grandy
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Yeah, there're a lot of Del Tin models that have changed over the years. If you look at Del Tin's official page, you'll see that some of the models, such as their cup hilt rapier, don't look the same as they do on the websites of many American dealers.
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Steve Fabert
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| Posted: Fri 05 Mar, 2004 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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This is another change, not the one described in your review. The sword you reviewed has the flattened diamond cross section blade pictured on the Del Tin and Albion web pages. The new version replaces the flattened area with a recessed fuller. There are no photos of this new blade style posted anywhere that I have found.
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Fulvio Del Tin
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| Posted: Sun 07 Mar, 2004 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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You already had my answer. Now I can show you also a photo. You can see it in this place:
http://www.deltin.it/comparison2153.htm
Fulvio Del Tin
Del Tin Armi Antiche
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Nathan Robinson
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Fulvio Del Tin
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| Posted: Sun 07 Mar, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Nathan,
Thank you, and also compliments for the nice scabbard.
Also the pictures of the sword in your website are very nice. I will take new photographs for my website when I have the time.
Fulvio
Cheers!......................
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Hello Fulvio! Very nice to see you here...
I own the (newer, but not 2003 model) DT2153 and am a big fan of the sword. I was pleasantly surprised by its characteristics upon receiving it, and a big supporter of your design changes. I find the newer version's changes to be big improvements on this model!
Here are photos of my piece: http://www.myArmoury.com/swor_dt2153.html |
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Steve Fabert
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| Posted: Sun 07 Mar, 2004 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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It was not my intention to criticize, just to publicize. The original sword that this design was patterned after has a very distinctive blade, and the change makes the blade more similar to what is seen on other examples. Some buyers might want a sword that looks more like the original one, others might want a more functional sword.
Every manufacturer has the right to make design changes whenever they desire. My apologies if the original post was seen as an attempt to undermine the reputation of your work, which I admire enough to have four other Del Tin swords already hanging on my office wall.
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Fulvio Del Tin
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| Posted: Mon 08 Mar, 2004 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent.
I am pleased to read this.
I feel that sometines it is not easy to meet the customers expectations.
For example, some of them want heavier swords with a thick edge while some others want a sharpened edge. I prefer to make the standard edge not sharpened.
Besides when it is the case I want to improve my products
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It was not my intention to criticize, just to publicize. The original sword that this design was patterned after has a very distinctive blade, and the change makes the blade more similar to what is seen on other examples. Some buyers might want a sword that looks more like the original one, others might want a more functional sword.
Every manufacturer has the right to make design changes whenever they desire. My apologies if the original post was seen as an attempt to undermine the reputation of your work, which I admire enough to have four other Del Tin swords already hanging on my office wall. |
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James Aldrich
Location: Green Bay WI Joined: 21 Aug 2003
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| Fulvio Del Tin wrote: | Excellent.
I am pleased to read this.
I feel that sometines it is not easy to meet the customers expectations.
For example, some of them want heavier swords with a thick edge while some others want a sharpened edge. I prefer to make the standard edge not sharpened.
Besides when it is the case I want to improve my products |
No worries, Signor Del Tin, you da man 
JSA
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This is a standard topic