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Garth Thompson
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Location: Alberta Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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 Posted: Tue 23 Jan, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: buckler question |
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I have been asked to make a buckler.(4 actually)
I have the dimensions, but is the edge rolled to the front or to the back?
The sample I was shown was from valantine armouries and the edge rolled to the back( It was smaller than the guy wanted)
Historically I dont know and can't tell from the pic's I have seen.
It seems to me though that rolled to the front would be better, blocking a thrust, the sword tip could bind/hang up in the rolled edge instead of just glancing off.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand. Psalm 149:6
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Richard Fay
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Hello all!
Garth,
This isn't a buckler with a rolled edge as such, but I found an interesting Welsh buckler on the Royal Armouries web site. It has a surface that would definitely bind or catch a sword point, with it's concentric rings. Apparently catching the point did have its benefits (rendering the opponent momentarily unable to strike, or something similar), at least for this Welsh buckler.
By the way, this was on a page that briefly described a study that the Royal Armoury made of the buckler. I believe that they concluded it originally had alternating rings of red and tin. It must have looked impressive when new.
Here's a link to the page about the investigation, in case anyone is interested:
http://www.royalarmouries.org/extsite/view.jsp?sectionId=3009
Check out this buckler:
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Early 16th-century Welsh buckler.
"I'm going to do what the warriors of old did! I'm going to recite poetry!"
Prince Andrew of Armar
Last edited by Richard Fay on Tue 23 Jan, 2007 5:38 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Allan Senefelder
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Garth, I have seen both. The 16th century Italian buckler and 16th century target I have however both rolled over rod and then counter sunk.
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Martin Wilkinson
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As far as i know the edge can be rolled either way.
"A bullet you see may go anywhere, but steel's, almost bound to go somewhere."
Schola Gladiatoria
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Kel Rekuta
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"Rolled in" is better for catching thrusts; very useful to break tempo in I.33 style play. I don't know how this applies to Rennaissance sword play though.
Martin's right. Surviving examples display all variations; rolled in, out or none.
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Garth Thompson
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Location: Alberta Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed 24 Jan, 2007 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the help!
I really appreciate it!, I'll throw some pics up when there done. (be a couple months)
Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand. Psalm 149:6
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