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Rod Walker




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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: 15thC Harness almost complete.         Reply with quote

Well, it is almost complete. I won't say finished as I don't believe it will ever be finished as I add bits, tweak bits etc.

Today I had the full harness on and rode in it. I ran some dummy passes with Michelle and it was wonderful. There are some bits that still need a tweak but all in all it was great.

Just a bit of background to my going 15th C.

Many years ago, when I first started this whole re-enactment lark, well before I decided that I even wanted to joust I joined a group in Newcastle that was mainly Dark Ages. I was never that keen on Vikings but it was the only group anywhere near me, (it was a 5 hour drive round trip every second weekend to train) one of the guys (Darren) had a 15thC Gothic harness. This was my idea of what a knight should be and one weekend he let me try it on. I thought it was the most wonderful thing. This pic was taken about 15 years ago and I am all of 20.

Over the years I have done a lot of different periods and I have tried to do them as well as I can, but the 15thC and that Gothic harness has always been my dream. Well, maybe not that harness Big Grin

I would like to thank Jiri Lucius for making me a beautiful harness. It truly is gorgeous. It fits like a glove and the workmanship is amazing. Jiri is amazing to work with, he is committed to bringing to reality the vision of his customer. I cannot say enough good things about Jiri.

All layed out ready.



The spurs are a pair of the Deepeka 15thC. I pulled off all the crap fittings and leather, made some new fittings, polished them up and did some subtle file work on the rowels. I was pretty happy with how they came out.

Cheers

Rod
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"Come! Let us lay a lance in rest,
And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
--Errantry, John Galsworthy
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Rod Walker




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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Part the 2nd.         Reply with quote


Turn shoes from Historic Enterprises.

The saddle is a 15thC saddle that a friend (Luke Binks) and I built. Next one will be better.



Cheers

Rod
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"Come! Let us lay a lance in rest,
And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
--Errantry, John Galsworthy
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Rod Walker




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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Part the 3rd.         Reply with quote




With 'Acorn hat' that I made a few weeks ago.

Cheers

Rod
Jouster
www.jousting.com.au

"Come! Let us lay a lance in rest,
And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
--Errantry, John Galsworthy
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Rod Walker




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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Luke Binks made this for me, it will be here next week.

Isn't it gorgeous.

Luke is becoming a very talented armourer in his own right.



A huge thank you to my wife Michelle for helping me realise my dream. I couldn't do this without her, she is my inspiration, my rock, she keeps me sane. Love you babe

Cheers

Rod
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"Come! Let us lay a lance in rest,
And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

That looks great! Very sweet indeed. I am happy for you.
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Jaw-dropping gorgeous harness, Rod! I'm very jealous! Razz
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

wow (pauses to wipe drool from chin) im sooo jealous


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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Congratulations and very impressive: It's always nice to see someone making his dreams a reality ( Or a semi-reality assuming that you are as sane as you say. Razz Laughing Out Loud )

I'm almost embarrassed not writing pages and pages of praise as the above seems too short considering all the money, waiting time and effort in you're getting such a nice kit put together. Cool

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Rod Walker




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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks guys. But really the praise should go to those that have the skill to be able to make the above. All I did was order and pay for it Big Grin
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Rod
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www.jousting.com.au

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And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 6:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I love the gothic look but most harnesses made in that style seem to busy to me. Yours is very clean but still captures the look very well. Congratulations!
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Rod Walker




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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks Patrick, I do intend to have the brass buckles all gold plated and some gold plated fittings made for it.

The Great Bascinet will be here Wednesday and I will be setting it up ready for the weekend. Photos on Sunday in full tournament rig.

Cheers

Rod
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www.jousting.com.au

"Come! Let us lay a lance in rest,
And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 6:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Rod Walker wrote:
Thanks Patrick, I do intend to have the brass buckles all gold plated and some gold plated fittings made for it.

The Great Bascinet will be here Wednesday and I will be setting it up ready for the weekend. Photos on Sunday in full tournament rig.


Cool. I've been kicking around the idea of putting together a 15th cent. kit to go with my incoming Albion Svante. Your photos aren't helping my self control. Big Grin
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrick Kelly wrote:

Cool. I've been kicking around the idea of putting together a 15th cent. kit to go with my incoming Albion Svante. Your photos aren't helping my self control. Big Grin


Do it, you know you want to Big Grin Come to the light.

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Rod
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www.jousting.com.au

"Come! Let us lay a lance in rest,
And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
--Errantry, John Galsworthy
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 7:50 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Great kit! Looks amazing! What's the sword?
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's a Windlass Towton (there is a review on this site). I cleaned all the lacquer off it as well as stripping the grip and redoing it. I also made the wood cored scabbard and belts for it.
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Rod
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www.jousting.com.au

"Come! Let us lay a lance in rest,
And tilt at windmills under a wild sky!
For who would live so petty and unblessed
That dare not tilt at something, ere he die?"
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PostPosted: Sun 13 Aug, 2006 11:01 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Rod,

Excellent suit! Not much more to say but it looks great.

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

A very nice kit. I do have a question though. I'm not horribly familiar with all the ins and outs of armor, but in the pictures where you are on the horse there seems to be a noticeable gap between your sallet and the top of your neck defenses (gorget?) Is that normal? How much does the whole ensemble weigh? Do you think you can do any handsprings or vaulting into the saddle with it? Happy
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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug, 2006 8:01 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The gap between the sallet and bevor shouldn't be much of a problem. In the pic he is sitting upright but when you lean forward into a charge the gap should close up. Also, he has a beautiful great bascinet on the way so I don't think he is too worried about how his sallet sits.

-James

P.S. I love the acorn hat, do you have instructions on how to make it?

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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug, 2006 11:07 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

J. Bedell wrote:
The gap between the sallet and bevor shouldn't be much of a problem. In the pic he is sitting upright but when you lean forward into a charge the gap should close up. Also, he has a beautiful great bascinet on the way so I don't think he is too worried about how his sallet sits.

-James

P.S. I love the acorn hat, do you have instructions on how to make it?


Yes I saw the pictures of the bascinet and I agree with your point about the charge... however having said that is that the way it is supposed to be?

I was looking at this picture for example which shows sort of the same kit from 1450...


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PostPosted: Mon 14 Aug, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Within certain limits a gap can be an advantage since one can tilt the head back to get a bit more air to breathe and tilt forward to close the gap: Sort of turtleling the neck. Wink Eek!

With the jousting frog shaped great helm one would not want to risk a gap, but with a fighting helm the gap might be an acceptable compromise.

Fit would be critical in that one wouldn't want the lip of the bevor extending too far forward and blocking the lower rim of the visor from closing the gap: How one tightens the bevor close to the face should be adjustable.

With my off the rack armour from Mercenary Tailors ( Not the same level of fit obviously compared to a measured and fitted custom armour. ) I find that adjusting the bevor makes a lot of difference when I use my MT articulated neck sallet: Visor getting or not getting hung up on the bevor lip.

With my Valentine eyeslot kettle hat the much wider brim doesn't need a closely fitted bevor.

From below though I can see that there would remain a possible gap in the defence were a spear or sword aimed from below could get between the helm and bevor.

Just my personal impressions with very limited wearing of my armour. Wink

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