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Todd Eriksen
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Posted: Thu 04 May, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: The medieval pricker |
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Okay, guys,
This may be the dumbest question ever posted here, but here it goes. What in the heck was a 'pricker' for? I have an Arms and Armor ballock dagger that includes a pricker, but come on. The stories I've heard (around drunken campfires). The ballock itself is enough to finish an opponent off if you got them down on the ground, and from what I've heard that was what the pricker was for. If you've ever tried to pull a pricker out of the scabbard before the long ballock dagger you know that it is too time consuming. So, what is the official use of the pricker?
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Nathan Robinson
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Eric Allen
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Posted: Thu 04 May, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Out of curiosity, what IS a "pricker?" Is this something like the toothpick on a Swiss Army knife?
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Tim Lison
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Posted: Thu 04 May, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Eric Allen wrote: | Out of curiosity, what IS a "pricker?" Is this something like the toothpick on a Swiss Army knife? |
Here is a link to a set of custom by knives and pickers made by Arms&Armor:
http://www.arms-n-armor.com/custom921.html
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Jean Thibodeau
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Posted: Fri 05 May, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: |
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For eating I would think one could use it with the knife as a single point fork to hold the food while cutting.
Just a guess on my part so don't repeat it as if it came from a quotable source.
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Arne Focke
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Posted: Fri 05 May, 2006 1:40 am Post subject: |
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Eric Allen wrote: | Out of curiosity, what IS a "pricker?" Is this something like the toothpick on a Swiss Army knife? |
It would be more like a fork on a Swiss Army knife.
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Chuck Russell
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Posted: Fri 05 May, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
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dipping one's meat in souce, undoing knots on rope, fine holes in leather etc.
theres tons of uses i've seen them used for in camp.
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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Posted: Fri 05 May, 2006 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Chuck Russell wrote: | dipping one's meat in souce, undoing knots on rope, fine holes in leather etc.
theres tons of uses i've seen them used for in camp. |
pointing at a fellow soldier with the prick-tip at table and thus provoking a knifing-accident *g*
IIRC that was one of the first lessons to be learned at that time: never point with your knife or prick at someone else, he might misunderstand your gesture (Maybe that's why later eating-knifes had rounded points.)
It still amazes me that it took so long before everybody started using a fork.
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George Hill
Location: Atlanta Ga Joined: 16 May 2005
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Posted: Fri 05 May, 2006 6:47 am Post subject: |
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I've seen sets from later period replicas, with a little fork and knife rather then a skewer, (which is what I've always heard that thing called.)
To abandon your shield is the basest of crimes. - --Tacitus on Germania
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Chuck Russell
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Posted: Fri 05 May, 2006 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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hey, i cant rememebr where, but there is a 15thc law that said not to eat with ones knife to ones lips.
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Al Muckart
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Posted: Fri 05 May, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Wolfgang Armbruster wrote: |
It still amazes me that it took so long before everybody started using a fork. |
It's not that surprising. Until quite a long time after forks were invented there was no social pressure to use one because, by and large, people ate with their fingers. Forks were serving rather than eating implements until quite late in the renaissance.
Because people ate with their fingers there were all sorts of manners about what else you touched though - for instance it was considered extremely rude to scratch your head while eating, or to get your fingertips in the sauce when dipping pieces of meat.
Google for "medieval table manners" or "boke of curtasye".
Wykin de Worde's "Boke of Kervynge" is a mine of information on how to set up a dinner for persons of quality.
Babees Book is another great resource, slightly later than the Boke of Kervynge IIRC[/url]
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George Doby
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Posted: Mon 08 May, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: |
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'pricker' on the scottish border was a rider/lancer/light cav/reiver.
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Peter Johnsson
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Posted: Mon 08 May, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Fork and awl function is absolutely possible.
Seeing a fine early 16th C carving set (at the V&A in London) with serving knives of different forms, plus a fork (to be used with the carving knife), *plus* a skewer/prick with a short section with fine file cut teeth at the base made me think:
-Perhaps the most frequent use for this "awl" tool is as sharpening steel?
Perfect to touch up fine edges before more dedicated sharpening on a whet stone is needed.
The lesson is thus: to make sense as sharpening steel the edges of the knife need to be fine and thin and also not that extremely hard in temper (around HRC 55 perhaps?). This follows well with the impression you get looking at early eating(utility?) knives. The grind of the edge is often very precise and fine. Much thinner edges what you´ll find on contemproary eating knives (as we use them against china all the time instead of wood or in rare occasions silver, a fine edge like those found on historical eating knives would be wasted: hence the serrated edge found on modern eating knives).
The edge you see is not quite like that of a scalpel but not far from it. Very nice shallow hollowgrinds are quite common from the 15th C and onwards: a back thickness of some 3,5 to 5 mm ground down to nothing at the edge. Or of course a thin flat grind. The "secondary bevel" is just what you get from a few strokes at a honingstone: a hairline of an angle
Such a blade will be well served by a sharpening steel to be kept crisp and fine in the bite.
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