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François L'Archevêque
Location: Quebec, Canada Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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 Posted: Tue 02 May, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: Swiss Dagger? |
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Hi,
I'm a reenactor( Swiss, 1475), and I'm interested to have a Swiss dagger like this one:
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/2053.html
Did someone know if this exact shape of swiss dagger is good for my reenacting period?
Thanks!
François L'Archevêque
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Russ Ellis
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In a word yes. It's my understanding that Holbein daggers were in use from the second half of the 15th century through the 16th century. You should be fine.
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Nathan Robinson
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Mathieu Harlaut
Location: Paris-France Joined: 14 Dec 2004
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The shape of this one is clearly XVI th century. The overall look of a Swiss Dagger in the XVth century is more simple. Usually the handle is straighter and the "guard plates" thinner or plainer.
I have a couple of pictures at home on books, but they are fairly small and not very clear. I'll try to see what I can do with a scanner.
There are good examples of Swiss daggers of various size in the Osprey book : The Swiss at War 1300-1500. p23.
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Russ Ellis
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| Mathieu Harlaut wrote: | The shape of this one is clearly XVI th century. The overall look of a Swiss Dagger in the XVth century is more simple. Usually the handle is straighter and the "guard plates" thinner or plainer.
I have a couple of pictures at home on books, but they are fairly small and not very clear. I'll try to see what I can do with a scanner.
There are good examples of Swiss daggers of various size in the Osprey book : The Swiss at War 1300-1500. p23. |
I would think that regional variation could account for that but perhaps not, I suppose it depends upon how fanatical his group is.
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Jean Thibodeau
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| Posted: Wed 03 May, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Swiss Dagger? |
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| François L'Archevêque wrote: | Hi,
I'm a reenactor( Swiss, 1475), and I'm interested to have a Swiss dagger like this one:
http://www.myArmoury.com/albums/photo/2053.html
Did someone know if this exact shape of swiss dagger is good for my reenacting period?
Thanks!
François L'Archevêque |
I see you have been a member since 2004 so welcome is a bit late, but a welcome first post.
I just found a picture of a Swiss like this dated to around 1550: Doesn't prove that one like this is too late for your period but it does show that they were some 75 years later. Source: Armes et Armures de Charlemagne à Louis XIV, par Paul Martin,
Conservateur du Musée historique de Strasbourg, © 1967 page 171 image 127 et 128
Note: For those curious, here is a Ballisar made by François
http://cf.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/francoislarc...mp;.src=ph
And I met him this weekend and admired a couple of his Sallets as well as this Ballisar. I started this topic on his armour
http://www.myArmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=6727 Just trying to get him some well deserved attention, even if I risk embarrassing him a little. For those looking for Living History high quality armour have a look. 
You can easily give up your freedom. You have to fight hard to get it back!
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François L'Archevêque
Location: Quebec, Canada Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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Arne Focke
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Sadly, this form of a dagger was also used by Hilters SA (see picture below, taken from "Messer" by Pat Farey). The inscriptions were filed out after 1934.
It is a "little" off topic, but i thought it might be of interest.
About the real baselard you can find a short article in Wikipedia, even with two nice pictures of original finds. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baselard
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Pat Farey, Messer, Zürich 2004. Page117
So schön und inhaltsreich der Beruf eines Archäologen ist, so hart ist auch seine Arbeit, die keinen Achtstundentag kennt! (Wolfgang Kimmig in: Die Heuneburg an der oberen Donau, Stuttgart 1983)
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Arne Focke
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Here is a picture of such a dagger from 1564, but this form of dagger was also used a century before so the date of 1475 should be ok.
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Heinrich Müller: Albrecht Dürer, Waffen und Rüstungen. Mainz 2002, Page 44.
So schön und inhaltsreich der Beruf eines Archäologen ist, so hart ist auch seine Arbeit, die keinen Achtstundentag kennt! (Wolfgang Kimmig in: Die Heuneburg an der oberen Donau, Stuttgart 1983)
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This is a standard topic