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Joe Fisher
Location: Lake Hopatcong, NJ Joined: 03 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Fri 06 Jan, 2006 9:03 am Post subject: Suspension historical accuracy |
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Greetings, all. I recently made a scabbard for my sword, and even more recently a suspension for it. I followed some pictures I found online to design the suspension, and I was wondering if any of y'all could tell me if it's close to a historical design, and if so, what period.
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Thanks much!
-Joe
I am an outcast, on the path of no return.
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Chad Arnow
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| Posted: Fri 06 Jan, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Suspension historical accuracy |
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| Joe Fisher wrote: | Greetings, all. I recently made a scabbard for my sword, and even more recently a suspension for it. I followed some pictures I found online to design the suspension, and I was wondering if any of y'all could tell me if it's close to a historical design, and if so, what period.
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Joe,
It bears some resemblance to suspensions popular in the 13th and early 14th centuries (maybe earlier), apart from the rivets (the parts were typically laced together, not riveted). Typically, scabbards were covered with leather or fabric, too, through which the belt was often laced.
You can search for pics of scabbad suspensions on this site; you'll find a few threads with drawings and pictures in the forums and probably some in the photo albums and collection galleries.
ChadA
http://chadarnow.com/
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Aaron Schnatterly
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Joe-
Here's a pic of the scabbard I did for my Albion Next Gen Ritter:
Here's one from a Peter Johnsson scabbard, owned by Patrick Kelly:
Chad made some good on-target comments... generally covered with the belt integrated by way of lacing through the covering, and bound somehow rather than riveted, whether it was stitched like I did, interwoven without stitching, or lacing a third stringer off of the top suspension through slits in this belt's bit.
As for the buckle... it's not bad... darned sure a lot better than a shiny chrome modern one!
-A
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Joe Fisher
Location: Lake Hopatcong, NJ Joined: 03 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri 06 Jan, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Suspension historical accuracy |
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| Chad Arnow wrote: | | It bears some resemblance to suspensions popular in the 13th and early 14th centuries (maybe earlier), apart from the rivets (the parts were typically laced together, not riveted). Typically, scabbards were covered with leather or fabric, too, through which the belt was often laced. |
Great! The riveting was due mostly to a lack of time; the instructions I found do suggest lacing. Having never done a scabbard or worked with leather, I thought it safest to go with bare wood for my first try 
Thanks for the info,
-Joe
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Joe Fisher
Location: Lake Hopatcong, NJ Joined: 03 Jan 2006
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Great pictures! Other than the leather cover on the scabbard, mine looks an awful lot like those. I'm looking forward to building version 2. While we're on the scabbard subject, I've read that shearling wool was generally used inside European scabbards. Is this generally accepted? Mine has felt inside, and is a fairly tight fit.
| Aaron Schnatterly wrote: | | As for the buckle... it's not bad... darned sure a lot better than a shiny chrome modern one! |
Thanks, that was exactly my feeling. I didn't have a lot of time to put it together, but I was damn sure I wasn't going to put a modern buckle on!
-Joe
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Russ Ellis
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| Posted: Fri 06 Jan, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| Joe Fisher wrote: | Great pictures! Other than the leather cover on the scabbard, mine looks an awful lot like those. I'm looking forward to building version 2. While we're on the scabbard subject, I've read that shearling wool was generally used inside European scabbards. Is this generally accepted? Mine has felt inside, and is a fairly tight fit.
| Aaron Schnatterly wrote: | | As for the buckle... it's not bad... darned sure a lot better than a shiny chrome modern one! |
Thanks, that was exactly my feeling. I didn't have a lot of time to put it together, but I was damn sure I wasn't going to put a modern buckle on!
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It's my understanding that felt was also used in period although with the modern stuff I've had some problems with color bleed on to the sword blades.
TRITONWORKS Custom Scabbards
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Aaron Schnatterly
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| Joe Fisher wrote: | | Great pictures! Other than the leather cover on the scabbard, mine looks an awful lot like those. |
Thanks. Can't take credit for Patrick's pic, though... Leather cover and chape, yes. Good effort, actually!
| Joe Fisher wrote: | | I'm looking forward to building version 2. |
Careful... it's addictive.
| Joe Fisher wrote: | | While we're on the scabbard subject, I've read that shearling wool was generally used inside European scabbards. Is this generally accepted? Mine has felt inside, and is a fairly tight fit. |
Very, very few survive. Most of what we have to go by anymore is period art, such as in paintings, the Bayeux Tapestry, effigies, etc. Those don't show the inside... There are some references and some surviving examples that do, but there are some that don't. Mine are unlined.
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Joe Fisher
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| Russ Ellis wrote: | | It's my understanding that felt was also used in period although with the modern stuff I've had some problems with color bleed on to the sword blades. |
I had read this, and like a fool I still used brown felt.  *sigh* It only stained the edge a bit. I'm sure it'll buff out if I decide to.
-Joe
I am an outcast, on the path of no return.
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Nathan Robinson
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Joe Fisher
Location: Lake Hopatcong, NJ Joined: 03 Jan 2006
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| Aaron Schnatterly wrote: | | Leather cover and chape, yes. Good effort, actually! |
Thanks Could you suggest reading I could do about period scabbards? This one was more for the experience than the authenticity.
Thanks!
-Joe
I am an outcast, on the path of no return.
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Nathan Robinson
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Aaron Schnatterly
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| Joe Fisher wrote: | | Thanks Could you suggest reading I could do about period scabbards? This one was more for the experience than the authenticity. |
You're welcome. Keep at it.
In regards to a book on them, I wish... most of my information comes from looking at effigies or artwork. Knives and Scabbards is a book on excavation finds in London, but has little to no info on sword scabbards... not bad for knives, though.
www.gothiceye.com has a bunch of effigies. Period artwork is in countless books, too, both at the library/bookstore, or online. Ask Jeeves... he'll help you out.
The rest of my info is from private discussions I've had.
Nathan's right, too... there's quite a bit here... just use the search feature and sift through.
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