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Martin Wallgren
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 Posted: Sun 25 Dec, 2005 10:10 am Post subject: What is this? |
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Found on a swedish sales site, have a hunch it could be a mariners cutlass or something from the 18 c! But if somebody knows better please tell me!
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Joachim Nilsson
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For ease of reference and replying: We have already checke dthe books we have as well as myArmoury's picture gallery but couldn't find anything similar. Although I have this annoying, itching feeling that I've seen that thing somewhere before...
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Wolfgang Armbruster
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The only other possibility I see is that it's a late Messer or Dussak. But 18 cent. sounds koscher.
That's a Dussak, late 16th cent., Austria.
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Jeff Demetrick
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Martin Wallgren
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The old lady sells this blade toghether with this things but we havent got a price yet, but chanses are we can do a bargin here! The old lady doesn´t seem to know what is is when she describesit as "a sword and some old things"
Martin
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Allan Senefelder
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The middle thing is some kind of farm scale or something i've seen before in antique stores. Theres no good reason for this but the name that sticks with me for the sword is "Swabian Saber". I've seen this type some place before and can't for the life of me place it. The grip look very similar to that of the Nimcha but on the Nimcha the knuckle bow breaks at a right angle and comes back in a straight line parallel to the grip to meet up with it at the butt, no space between the two and the two upper quillons usually terminate in parallel ball finels.
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Joachim Nilsson
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| Posted: Sun 25 Dec, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Wolfgang Armbruster wrote: | The only other possibility I see is that it's a late Messer or Dussak. But 18 cent. sounds koscher.
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Yeah, I've been looking at those, but the "pommel" doesn't match up.
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Joachim Nilsson
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| Posted: Sun 25 Dec, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Allan Senefelder wrote: | | I've seen this type some place before and can't for the life of me place it. |
Thank you. I feel the same way.
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Joachim Nilsson
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Thanks, bu tit's definately not a Nimcha. I've e-mailed the person selling the pieces for better pictures because -to be frank- that pic just plain sucks. We'll just have to sit tight and see if anything turns up.
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Robert Zamoida
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Maybe it's a hunting sword of some kind, especially if the scale that's being sold with it is contemporary and possibly part of a set?
Rob Zamoida
"When your life is on the line, you want to make use of all your tools. No warrior should be willing to die with his swords at his sides, without having made use of his tools."
-Miyamoto Mushashi, Gorin no Sho
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E.B. Erickson
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Well, if not a Nimcha (my first thought as well, inspite of the lack of the 90 degree angle of the knuck), then I'd suggest a hanger from the early 1600s. Nationality is up for grabs, however, as this basic type of sword was used all over Europe.
Better photos will certainly help.
Any blade markings?
--ElJay
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Joachim Nilsson
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| E.B. Erickson wrote: |
Better photos will certainly help.
Any blade markings?
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None that we know of. I'm still awaiting a reply from the seller.
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Catalin Hriban
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Is a hanger, maybe Central European - German, judging from the grip. Or a hunting sword of 18th -first 19th, somehow "antiquated". Some images from different angles would certainly help.
Compare to isbn 1-55584-290-9, Coe et al., Swords and Hilt Weapons, p.77
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