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Kaspian Methos





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PostPosted: Mon 12 Sep, 2005 2:44 am    Post subject: I need to identify such sword-please help         Reply with quote

Could you help me please to identify such sword ?.


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Russ Thomas
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Sep, 2005 2:57 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi,

I am almost certain that this sword originates from Abyssinia, though to be honest I cannot remember the name of it Blush Not a lot of help really, but perhaps it is a start Happy

Regards as ever,

Russ

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Hisham Gaballa





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PostPosted: Mon 12 Sep, 2005 3:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I think Abyssinia is probably right. The shape of the hilt ressembles that of an Ethiopian shotel, a double edged sword, which came in a variety of shapes from very curved to straight. The blades were often imported from England or France, which would account for the lettering on the blade.
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Russ Thomas
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Sep, 2005 4:08 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Shotel ! Thankyou I have been trying to think of that name all morning , thankyou for putting me out of my misery !! Wink


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Russ

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Hisham Gaballa





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PostPosted: Mon 12 Sep, 2005 6:42 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

You're welcome, you supplied the vital clue: Abyssinia. If you hadn't mentioned it I would have had absolutely no idea of what it might be. Happy
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Folkert van Wijk




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PostPosted: Mon 12 Sep, 2005 8:00 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Then this is a good example of what internet site's like this, can achieve by combining people and there knowledge
I quess this one hurray for myArmoury.com two Wink

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Andrew Winston




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PostPosted: Sun 18 Sep, 2005 10:27 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The actual term for this sword is gurade. Like the shotel, this is an Ethiopian (Abyssinian) weapon. Shotels typically have blades with extreme curvature, sharpened on the concave edge. Ostensibly, they are often used to attack around the edge of a shield.

Gurade often have curved blades of European manufacture, but straight blades are not uncommon. The handles are horn, occasionally rhino.

Very nice example. I know precious little about Eurpoean trade blades, but I suspect you'll be able to find someone on this or another forum that will recognize the markings and help you place the source of manufacture. Many of these blades are Wilkinson.

Andrew

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Piotr Tarantowicz




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PostPosted: Tue 29 Nov, 2005 3:49 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Hi to all!
Now this sword belongs to me. I've bought this sword as a complete mystery. There was an intriquing investigation for me to explain origin of this sword. This thread I've found only yesterday... It's really an Abissynian sword. On the blade are portraits of the Emperor Menelik II and his wife. The coin on the top of the hilt is an Austrian talar from 1780 (Maria Theresa minted about 3 millions talars like this - and no wonder that they were in Africa accesible too). It's really a fascinating composition of a German or English rather high class blade, and primitive Abissynian scabard and hilt.
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