[Jean Thibodeau]

In general I find that the quality of Picts by members of this site and Nathan in particular are much superior to those on the makers sites.

Now I would recommend that better shots would help the makers sell more product: Better quality and also the products shown from more angles.

Now a possible " Money making " suggestion to help finance this site would be for Nathan to travel to A & A, Albion or others and take high quality Picts for them and for this site: The cost being covered by the makers with enough profit to help pay for this site and Nathan's time and travel expenses.

At the same time, taking notes for reviews. Alternatively, the makers could send a few of their product at a time to Nathan to avoid travel expenses, as new Picts are produced the various site pictures could be upgraded.

To summarize : myArmoury would offer a product photography service to industry professionals twinned with reviews of the products ( Might there be conflict of interest issue ??? )

The actual logistics and commercial viability, not to mention the time involved I have no idea if this would be workable

[Nathan Robinson]

I've offered my services to 'em all, but they're unable to afford it. This is true even with the major discounts over my professional rates.

[Joe Fults]

[Patrick Kelly]

[Jean Thibodeau]

It's not that their photographs are bad, they just don't have that eye candy quality that helps sales.

And, I guess Patrick is right that they just can't afford it.

Having the person who has taken their photograph for them, usually someone in house, take a photography course might be cost effective if that person only needs to learn a few techniques: Mostly using good lightning and manual settings on the camera. Flash photography gives you random results with lots of unwanted shadows and overexposed areas on shiny surfaces.

Actually good photography happens outside the camera in the positioning of the lighting, softening filters over the lights and choice of background. With the camera only iris opening / duration of exposure and lens type need to be figured out.

Light it until it looks good from the angle of the lens then take the picture !

Simple, but hard to do, like saying I take this pencil and just draw what I see: Easy to say when you have drawing talent and impossible when you don't.

[Nathan Robinson]

[Jean Thibodeau]

Nathan: You definitely have nothing to prove and when it's your profession you don't want to just give your time away.

I don't think Joe meant that you had to prove yourself or the quality of your work: He may have meant, the way I interpret it, that they need proof that superior photography would improve sales. I think it would, but these makers don't have the up-front money available even if they were sure it would work.

It may be a case of " great idea " / " sorry can't afford it "

[Nathan Robinson]

I'm sorry if I sounded offended. I wasn't... it just came off wrong. I often do that. bah

[Joe Fults]

[Joe Fults]

[Joe Fults]

[Steve Grisetti]

I think that we all agree that better product photos would help sell more product. I suspect that the manufacturers would agree with that concept on a subjective basis. However, implementing better photography would have a definite cost. I believe that the amount of the benefit would be impossible to calculate with any reasonable confidence, since I doubt there are any applicable, reliable cost/benefit data.

[George Hill]

Would better photos really lead to more sales in 'this' market? I mean, sword fans are going to seek out the product and buy it so long as the photos are decent. This isn't a market in which there is an extraordinary amount of competition, or an unlimited market. This is really a rather small market. Indeed, even the gun market isn't that big, and that's a much larger market. '

Personally, I would suggest Nathan take the pictures in exchange for free swords.

[Patrick Kelly]

[Jean Thibodeau]

From another topic Aaron Schnatterly wrote:

( A & A Gustav Vasa rapier. )
" Nice! Alright, Steve, now THOSE are some pictures! Now, I can see details clearly that I really wanted...

I had actually looked a number of times at this piece on the A&A site, but I had sort of shrugged it off. It seemed dark, and rather unappealing. I've now gone back and looked again - still just didn't hit me. Somehow, I guess I thought I had checked out the review (tried to make it through all of them - must have skipped this one mistakenly)... This is a very attractive piece, when the details can be seen! Yeah, I can see the possibility of one of these making it's way to my place at some point. "

" WHEN THE DETAILS CAN BE SEEN " !!! : Sort of makes THE point doesn't it

[Jonathon Janusz]

I've been watching this topic for a while and thought I would bring up a different point.

I think the manufacturers are on a more productive track (marketing-wise) to generating sales within the market with current strategies. (Note that I make a distinction between generating sales within the market and generating sales from introducing new consumers into the market.) I have owned and passed along some very lovely looking swords in my time collecting not because the pieces lacked a "look" I wanted, but rather because the feel in hand (and in some cases blade performance/characteristics) were not to the level of accuracy or quality that I wanted. In fact, I think that more than aesthetics has caused me to part ways with all the swords I have passed along. That is why I believe that campaigning at shows and events where the makers can have their clients pick up, examine, and handle their pieces does far more for the marketing dollar within the market than revising pictures (please don't get me wrong - photos are very important, just perhaps the cost-benefit analysis weighs more in favor of the live demonstration).

I consider a sword purchase as being "sight unseen" until I have the opportunity to handle and personally examine either the piece I am buying or an example of it from a production setting. By looking at pictures and statistics I can get a pretty good idea whether or not I COULD like the piece, I am really not sure if I DO like it until I get it in hand. Case in point, after reading the review and doing some research, I thought I would really like the A&A French Medeival Sword - even moreso than perhaps my favourite Henry V (in particular, the aesthetics of the French appealed to me). I got a chance to handle one at Bristol yesterday and, although the sword is nice and I wouldn't kick it out of bed in the morning, I found I still like the handling/dynamics/proportions of the Henry V better - very similar swords on paper/pictures but a world of difference in the hand. If I only had about $600 to spend, I would have been just a little disappointed purchasing the French before the Henry V if I had to make the decision "sight unseen".

My $.02

[Steve Grisetti]

[Jean Thibodeau]

Good point about handling making or breaking it as far a liking a sword or not.

Unfortunately, getting to handle most swords before buying is just not going to happen most of the time if one lives far away from major shows or events. Photos that give you a clear and attractive idea of what the sword is like helps more that a fuzzy or too dark picture that leaves most to the imagination.

Close-ups of special features, decorations and angled shots are also nice to see.

An interesting point is that what you buy is influenced mostly by what you see, and what you keep or pass along depends more on liking or not liking the handling: The good quality reviews here, based on similar criteria by the same people, mean that if you like a reviewed sword after handling, you can have a lot of confidence that you can trust the content of the other reviews when making a decision to buy. ( Like having a favourite Movie reviewer whose taste in movies is similar to yours: If he likes a movie the odds that you will also are high. )

Of course, this is a matter of individual taste or preference: If you are looking for lots of blade presence in a mostly cutting sword you might choose the Gaddhjalt and not the Sempach! Within all the type X, Xa or XII you might have to handle them side by side to find the one that feels the best to you.

[Aaron Schnatterly]

[Jean Thibodeau]

Aaron;

You are right that the original idea of the post that the makers should have better pictures has been beaten to death

But the thread has brought out in the last few post interesting points about what helps us make buying decisions.

I agree that even if the makers would agree that better Picts are a good idea: They can't afford the cost of professional high quality photography. But they can learn how to improve their in house photography at a low cost, or find an amateur with some good skills.

As happens many times I find that when topic stray from their original intent we end up with very productive content anyway.