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Bill Grandy
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Nov, 2004 10:41 am    Post subject: A Swedish Pappenheimer         Reply with quote

http://www.armemuseum.org/foremal/blankvapen/varja/1620-50.html

I thought this was pretty sweet. Something interesting is the thumb "ring": You can see that the plate actually curves down to the grip so that the thumb can go around. The blade profile is pretty cool, too. It's the type of profile you see done on many LOTR inspired fantasy swords as of late.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Nov, 2004 11:32 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very nice,
First thought was the blade looks like something that might come out of Jody Samsons workshop,
Cheers for sharing the link Bill,
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Nov, 2004 11:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Eek! That is one heck of a blade fitted up to the hilt.....ooweeee....


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Nov, 2004 1:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I love the addition of the thumb-ring, as you might imagine. I really like what this does for the grip. That's a beautiful integration of this feature. Very nice find, Bill.
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PostPosted: Sat 27 Nov, 2004 1:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

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Fästet är från omkring 1620 men klingan är yngre och daterad 1652 samt försedd med bl.a. Gustav II Adolfs porträtt och tillverkad i Solingen.


A quick translation of the text: "The hilt is from c. 1620, but the blade is younger, dated 1652 and provided with among other things a portrait of Gustavus Adolphus. [The blade] is made in Solingen.

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PostPosted: Sat 27 Nov, 2004 1:57 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Thanks for the translation, Björn. The connection to Gustavus Adolphus is interesting, as is knowing the dates of the hilt and sword.
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PostPosted: Mon 29 Nov, 2004 3:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I want that sword!

I love the handling that a thumbring provides. In my experience, fingering a ricasso weakens the strength of your cut, while a thumbring increases it. I would LOVE to try cutting with a wide hollow ground blade like that mounted with a thumbring!

The whole sword is just beautiful all over ......

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Nov, 2004 3:24 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Big Grin There are more on that site, enjoy Cool

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Nov, 2004 9:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Patrik Erik Lars Lindblom wrote:
Big Grin There are more on that site, enjoy Cool


SMALLSWORDS!!! Eek! Big Grin

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PostPosted: Mon 29 Nov, 2004 11:15 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Joel Chesser wrote:
Patrik Erik Lars Lindblom wrote:
Big Grin There are more on that site, enjoy Cool


SMALLSWORDS!!! Eek! Big Grin


Actually, many of the swords are pretty stout, especially those from the decades around 1700 AD. Albion has plans for making one of those models.

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun, 2005 2:54 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Very long since this topic was up..But.. Björn, please tell me that they are thinking about the M/1701? Loooove that one!
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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun, 2005 3:16 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's pretty cool that the first on the list of the collection, http://www.armemuseum.org/foremal/blankvapen/varja/ca1600.html

is almost identical to the Arms and Armour "Munich Town Guard Sword" http://www.arms-n-armor.com/2000/catalog/item192.html

Good going for A&A for having such prescience! Pretty nifty look, now to put a nice hollow-ground 36" blade on that hilt... Big Grin

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PostPosted: Mon 06 Jun, 2005 10:06 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I'll dissent here and say that I'd rather see Albion reproduce one of the plain infantry swords of the period. There aren't enough accurate reproductions of those weapons around (A&A's Town Gaurd Sword is the only one that comes to mind, and it's actually kind of complex, hilt-wise), and to have one in the $400-600 range could do wonders for popular appreciation of this period's arms. On the other hand, if Albion reproduces one of the finer examples of these weapons--say, for their Museum Line--only the most well-heeled collectors will get to enjoy it!

I'm not talking about the truly sloppy swords of the day, but something like this:



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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jun, 2005 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: A Swedish Pappenheimer         Reply with quote

Bill Grandy wrote:
http://www.armemuseum.org/foremal/blankvapen/varja/1620-50.html


Thanks for the link!

I missed that one when I visited the Armemuseum. Probably because of hundreds of other interesting blade weapons... Happy That design gives me some ideas for a custom project, maybe some sort of reproduction of that particular sword.

If any of you visit Stockholm I highly recommend a visit to Armemuseum to look at the collections. Every weapon ever used by the Swedish army is represented and more. Anyone interested in european warfare won't be disappointed.

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2005 1:32 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sean Flynt wrote:
I'll dissent here and say that I'd rather see Albion reproduce one of the plain infantry swords of the period...I'm not talking about the truly sloppy swords of the day, but something like this:

I agree. That is a very attractive piece, Sean.
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Steve Grisetti wrote:
Sean Flynt wrote:
I'll dissent here and say that I'd rather see Albion reproduce one of the plain infantry swords of the period...I'm not talking about the truly sloppy swords of the day, but something like this:

I agree. That is a very attractive piece, Sean.


Indeed, it's too bad that MRL dropped their Scottish cross-guarded broadsword (can't recall their name for it off hand, but I do believe they dropped it form their line-up). However, I note that Sean already HAS one of those, LOL! I have to admit to rather liking those plain-jane but immenently serviceable pieces like that.

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2005 2:37 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Gordon Frye wrote:
Indeed, it's too bad that MRL dropped their Scottish cross-guarded broadsword (can't recall their name for it off hand, but I do believe they dropped it form their line-up). However, I note that Sean already HAS one of those....

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Jun, 2005 2:58 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Steve Grisetti wrote:
Gordon Frye wrote:
Indeed, it's too bad that MRL dropped their Scottish cross-guarded broadsword (can't recall their name for it off hand, but I do believe they dropped it form their line-up). However, I note that Sean already HAS one of those....

Scottish Backsword?http://www.myArmoury.com/review_mrl_scot.html


That would be the one... plain and serviceable.

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