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Kai Lawson





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PostPosted: Mon 04 May, 2020 4:05 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is this available yet, and are there links for it? Obviously I could just Google it, but if people have links that donate or benefit anyone here in some way, I’d prefer to do that.
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PostPosted: Tue 05 May, 2020 5:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Harry Marinakis wrote:
I have never heard of barberry. It was not mentioned in any of the manuscripts that I've reviewed.

It's apparently just the ornamental barberry shrub (Berberis), but for all I know, it may not have been used as a dye until more recently.

Harry Marinakis wrote:
I'm afraid that, with rare except, none of the medieval dyes are washfast or sunfast.

Ah... well, I guess then rapid fading will look all the more authentic Happy
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PostPosted: Tue 05 May, 2020 7:23 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Harry,

I don't see you mention white or off-white in your posts or shown on the front of your book.
We have period illustrations showing white leather being used. What are your thoughts on that?

Thanks
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Harry Marinakis




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Jeremy V. Krause wrote:
Harry,

I don't see you mention white or off-white in your posts or shown on the front of your book.
We have period illustrations showing white leather being used. What are your thoughts on that?

Thanks


There is no medieval white leather dye.
Leather can be colored by the tanning process. White leather is usually alum tanned.
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Brian K.
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PostPosted: Wed 06 May, 2020 3:14 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Harry Marinakis wrote:
Jeremy V. Krause wrote:
Harry,

I don't see you mention white or off-white in your posts or shown on the front of your book.
We have period illustrations showing white leather being used. What are your thoughts on that?

Thanks


There is no medieval white leather dye.
Leather can be colored by the tanning process. White leather is usually alum tanned.


Harry is correct. True white leather is done through the tanning process. You can paint leather white, but it will eventually fail, if not right away. Even modern made dye makers gave up on making white dye, as it just fails miserably.

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Victor R.




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PostPosted: Wed 06 May, 2020 6:55 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Brian K. wrote:
Harry Marinakis wrote:
Jeremy V. Krause wrote:
Harry,

I don't see you mention white or off-white in your posts or shown on the front of your book.
We have period illustrations showing white leather being used. What are your thoughts on that?

Thanks


There is no medieval white leather dye.
Leather can be colored by the tanning process. White leather is usually alum tanned.


Harry is correct. True white leather is done through the tanning process. You can paint leather white, but it will eventually fail, if not right away. Even modern made dye makers gave up on making white dye, as it just fails miserably.


This must be the reason for that cheap, nasty white patent leather popular with used car salesmen and televangelists the world over.
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Jonathan U.




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PostPosted: Mon 21 Sep, 2020 8:52 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Super excited for this! I've been trying to use as many traditional dyes as I can and a book with this much knowledge sounds perfect!
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Craig Renaud




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PostPosted: Thu 01 Oct, 2020 6:33 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Popping in to say I'll be very interested in a copy when it's done! Great work!
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Harry Marinakis




PostPosted: Thu 04 Mar, 2021 4:43 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

My book on medieval leather dyes is with a copy editor right now.

The manuscript should be back in my hands in 3 weeks.
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Kai Lawson





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PostPosted: Fri 12 Mar, 2021 7:05 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Wonderful to hear that. Be sure to let us know as soon as it is available for purchase or pre-order. I will sign up immediately.
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Sean Manning




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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jun, 2022 7:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

How is this coming along Harry?

You might also look into small academic presses like Archaeopress in the UK.

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Ryan S.




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PostPosted: Fri 24 Jun, 2022 7:51 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is this going to be a purely how to book or is there going to be a bit of history in there? I think it would be interesting for a reader to have an idea of when and by whom the certain dyes were used. For example, a lot of the dyes have ingredients that were imported from far away, so were probably more expensive than other dyes. Also, the discovery of Brazil, probably lead to an increase of brazilin based dyes.
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Dan Kary





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PostPosted: Fri 24 Jun, 2022 12:12 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

One thing I'd be interested in knowing, and I hope it is in the book, is something about the popularity of the scabbard colours. I know this has also been addressed before in the forums (I think Red, Black, White/Tan, and Brown were the most popular?). Could this be accounted for because these dyes were easier to produce? Or was it just fashion/taste?
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Dan Kary





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PostPosted: Thu 06 Apr, 2023 9:20 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I have been trying to find period art of sword scabbards that are not the usual (I think these are the usual) colours of brown, black, red, and tan (orange). In particular, green. It looks like olive or modern military greens were possible but were they something that people actually had? Admittedly, I don't know what databases are available or what terms I should use etc. I'm mainly interested in 15th century to this end. Can somebody help me by telling me where/how to look? Thanks!
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