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Cerjak JL
Location: FRANCE Joined: 22 Dec 2010
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 Posted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:28 pm Post subject: A group of helmets whose resemblance seems disturbing. |
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This type of helmet appeared suddenly in auction sales about five years and are with some surprising similarities.
The research that I made in the main collections of European and American museums as well as in post-2000 auction catalogs Have remained in vain: no similar example but of course some examples approaching vaguely.
However these four helmets seem to come from the same place and made by the same hands (only patinas differ)
The first helmet with the description “ helmet of the bodyguards of Louis XIV” by the seller.
I wonder what are the elements that allowed to assign this helmet to the guards of Louis XIV.
The second is his” twin brother” but with a strange surface oxidation
The third still the same helmet but shiny polished
Finally, the fourth of which only the visor differs from other helmets finish similar to the third.
Maybe forum members know of other examples to add to this disturbing collection?
The question is: Are these helmets sold in budgets of 12 to 40.000 € authentic? If not, how could these helmets escape the vigilance of the experts?
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Cerjak JL
Location: FRANCE Joined: 22 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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morre pics helm1 other will follow
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Cerjak JL
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| Posted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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now the second helmet
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Cerjak JL
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| Posted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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one more pictures helmet
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Cerjak JL
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| Posted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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helmet 3 more pic to compare with helm1 & 2
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Cerjak JL
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now the last helmet with different visor
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Xavier Nihoul
Location: Belgium Joined: 01 Jul 2018
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| Posted: Fri 06 Jul, 2018 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Who sold this? Name and site please
Too much similarities and come from nowhere.
Basic principle of Holly Peter, it's a Fake until proven otherwise.
I'll Ask to an expert
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Peter Spätling
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They *could* be good. But to me they seem really fishy. All the decorative lines are there. Really good work. The rivets are spot on, ok, those might be modern. No damage or deep rust marks whatsoever. Why the heck do multiple helmets that really look the same show up at the same time?
On one of them, the more reddish/brown one, I'd say that someone created this surface on purpose.
Why experts don't notice? Some experts, forgive my rudeness, are just idiots.
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Xavier Nihoul
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they have an interest in selling counterfeit merchandise
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Cerjak JL
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Cerjak JL
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This is a standard topic