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Edward Lee




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PostPosted: Sat 17 Jan, 2015 4:09 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Is this soldier on the left wear mail underneath a gamebson? Was it a common practice to wear mail beneath padding and breastplate over it? Thanks

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Jan, 2015 11:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

well define 'common practice' I suppose. It crops up here and there and wearing stuff in addition to a padded jack can but help, assuming the jack is made well. And by that I mean something not too thick and encumbering.
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Jan, 2015 7:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sandwiching mail between two (relatively) lightly-padded garments was quite common in the late 14th and early 15th centuries. I wouldn't be surprised if it was still done in the late 15th century too.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb, 2018 9:22 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I haven't seen this drawing discussed, it is obviously a man in his underarmour clothing. Next to the wounded man are parts of his bloodied kastenbrust armour. The shape of arming doubled closely follows the shape of the kastenbrust breastplate - chest is very globose - padded? Waist, arms and hose are very tight fitting, they don't seem padded.

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The Ms.XIX.17-3 is a German fencing manual created by Hans Talhoffer some time between 1446 and the creation of the Thott manuscript in 1459. The original currently rests in the private collection of the Königsegg-Aulendorf family in Königseggwald, Germany. This manuscript may possibly have been commissioned by the very Luithold von Königsegg who is featured in several of Talhoffer's works.


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Steve Fabert





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PostPosted: Mon 05 Feb, 2018 11:34 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Are you sure he isn't praying for forgiveness for killing a woman? I have never seen a breastplate with two separate breasts before.
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Peter Spätling




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PostPosted: Thu 08 Feb, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Steve Fabert wrote:
Are you sure he isn't praying for forgiveness for killing a woman? I have never seen a breastplate with two separate breasts before.



O_o I hope you are joking. That 's not a woman. That 's a Kastenbrust.
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