Info Favorites Register Log in
myArmoury.com Discussion Forums

Forum index Memberlist Usergroups Spotlight Topics Search
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > Ricasso and scabbards. Reply to topic
This is a standard topic  
Author Message
Alexander B.




Location: Germany
Joined: 16 Nov 2014

Posts: 46

PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject: Ricasso and scabbards.         Reply with quote

Ahoy.

I am making a few scabbards, but now am wondering what to do with a 1580ish cavalry Sword. It has a blunt, rectangular ricasso, and I have no clue wether or not that is supposed to be covered by the scabbard, too.

I'd apreciate advise.

Whenever I try to search the interwebz for reference material, I am flooded with repros, many of questionable historical accuracy.

Thanks a lot,

Alex

-PLUS RATIO QUAM VIS-
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Mark Moore




Location: East backwoods-assed Texas
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Likes: 6 pages
Reading list: 1 book

Posts: 2,294

PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I would think that the ricasso would be covered by the scabbard, unless the guard is built with such things as ring guards, finger rings, etc. that go down the ricasso and not allow the scabbard to go all the way up to completely cover the blade. That's just MY way of seeing it. Happy ....McM
''Life is like a box of chocolates...'' --- F. Gump
View user's profile Send private message
Sean Flynt




Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
Likes: 10 pages
Reading list: 13 books

Spotlight topics: 7
Posts: 5,981

PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

I recall seeing rapier scabbards with tongues extending over the ricasso, but open on the sides. I think there's something like that in the Wallace Collection.
-Sean

Author of the Little Hammer novel

https://www.amazon.com/Little-Hammer-Sean-Flynt/dp/B08XN7HZ82/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=little+hammer+book&qid=1627482034&sr=8-1
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Leo Todeschini
Industry Professional



Location: Oxford, UK
Joined: 12 Nov 2006
Likes: 1 page

Spotlight topics: 1
Posts: 1,724

PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Sean Flynt wrote
Quote:
recall seeing rapier scabbards with tongues extending over the ricasso, but open on the sides. I think there's something like that in the Wallace Collection.


That is because the various rings and guards of the guard often come very close to the blade at the sides so they scabbard cannot be closed at the sides.

Generally the ricassso is covered.

Tod

www.todsworkshop.com
www.todcutler.com
www.instagram.com/todsworkshop
https://www.facebook.com/TodsWorkshop
www.youtube.com/user/todsstuff1
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Alexander B.




Location: Germany
Joined: 16 Nov 2014

Posts: 46

PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 11:38 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

The mystical Tod himself responding! I am unworthy *bowing down furiously*

Big Grin

Well, so, soe the 'being open' only apply to the one side that has a ring close to it, then?

I'll try snap a photo of the sword in question.

-PLUS RATIO QUAM VIS-
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Guillaume Vauthier




Location: France
Joined: 16 Jun 2016

Posts: 166

PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 11:44 am    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Here are two pics that I took of a rapier of the Musée de l'Armée in Paris:





The quality is all but beautiful, but you can see the two tongues of the scabbard, covering the ricasso on each side.
View user's profile Send private message
Mark Moore




Location: East backwoods-assed Texas
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Likes: 6 pages
Reading list: 1 book

Posts: 2,294

PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 12:45 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

Yes...Seeing the actual sword you plan to build the scabbard for would be a great help. Do post! Happy ....McM
''Life is like a box of chocolates...'' --- F. Gump
View user's profile Send private message
Alexander B.




Location: Germany
Joined: 16 Nov 2014

Posts: 46

PostPosted: Wed 15 Feb, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject:         Reply with quote

It's a cavalry sword by Wladimir Cervenka.

I intent to get a 3/4 armour at some point, and wonder what sort of suspension such an armoured trooper would likely have used for such a sword (and the matching dagger)

The pictures are great, btw.



 Attachment: 235.35 KB
[ Download ]

-PLUS RATIO QUAM VIS-
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail


Display posts from previous:   
Forum Index > Historical Arms Talk > Ricasso and scabbards.
Page 1 of 1 Reply to topic
All times are GMT - 8 Hours

View previous topic :: View next topic
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum






All contents © Copyright 2003-2024 myArmoury.com — All rights reserved
Discussion forums powered by phpBB © The phpBB Group
Switch to the Basic Low-bandwidth Version of the forum